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Title: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 01, 2017, 06:27:18 pm
My first Fiero was…a learning experience.  I drove it about 5 hours home, without lights or brakes, and no chase car.  It died on me, in the middle of nowhere, but started up a few minutes later.  On the trip home, it went through several quarts of oil that leaked out everywhere.  What a mess!  I did a lot of work on the car, spent lots of money, and became extremely frustrated.

About this time, my wife and I were blessed with the births of 2 children, and I went through some unrelated major health issues.

I’ll just state this plainly.  You don’t realize how truly lucky you are to have other Fiero people around to support and revitalize your interest as pertains to your Fiero(s).  I see this as vital.  Even if the person is just there to hand you tools, go out to dinner with, or lend an ear to your frustrations, you’re ahead.  In addition, you can pick up on the excitement of other Fiero owners, and use that to overcome short-term obstacles in your efforts.

There were so many problem areas with my Fiero, and I didn’t finish one before starting on another.  Worse yet, simple projects turned exponentially more complex.  No one I spoke with would touch a Fiero, nor did they have anything good to say about them.  There was no one nearby who knew about Fieros.  I’d gotten in way over my head, and there wasn’t a good way out of the hole I’d dug.  I suck at body work, and couldn’t find a place that would do it.  Eventually, just looking at the car depressed me.  I didn’t see how I’d ever get ahead of the rust.  The more I took apart to fix, the more rust I found.  After taking most of the rear apart, I finally managed to get it reasonably restored and back together.  I started on the front, and the thought of repeating all that work filled me with dread.  I just couldn’t bring myself to do it.  Yes, I turned into a quitter.  I considered what it would take to finish the car, and decided a replacement was a more financially-responsible decision.

Meanwhile, I’d gone through a few other Fieros, briefly, while the original Fiero sat for a year.  They were better cars, but I bought a GT to flip, a 4.9 that I was told was a bad idea, and the other was really more than I could afford, but a really nice car, with a nice V6 from a Turbo Buick, as I was told later.

The people I sold my first Fiero to were so happy that ”all the hard work was done”, and were going to complete the restore.  I gave them the grey GT wheels and torsion springs I’d purchased for it.  Note that the car was still drivable when it was sold.  It was just that it would randomly start overheating and boiling the coolant out.  This could happen after 10 minutes, or wait for more than an hour.  I just got tired of seeing the smoke pouring out of the engine compartment.  I wish the new owners the best with that Fiero, but I’m emotionally over it.  I washed my hands of it, I suppose, when I gave them the remaining pieces I’d purchased for it.  They live about an hour from here, but I’ve never contacted them since the sale.

So, the first one was a humbling experience.  On to my “second” Fiero.

With a more thorough understanding of Fieros, and a reality check on my lack of abilities, in 2013, I went looking for this:


but got this, instead:



Notice, both cars are parked in the same spot.  Probably fewer invites to the policemen’s ball with the one I got.

I get a lot of comments from people who bought their Fiero, which was parked in the exact same spot, like this one:



Pics of my car when I bought it:
















It needed a lot of work, as you can see.  The engine bay was dirty, the front compartment was dirty, the HVAC control was broken, the interior was warped, the sunroof was falling down, the sunshade was in terrible condition, the paint was chipped and faded, the wheels were a mess, the glove box was broken, etc.  It had an aftermarket keyless entry system/alarm.  A number of the panels didn’t line up.  The steering rack had issues, and the brakes were messed up.  The front shocks were in need of replacement.  Lots of the rubber suspension components were just gone.  The exhaust was in need of replacement, the tires were dry-rotted, and the steering wheel was oozing brown goo.  Lots of sensors were not working, there were vacuum leaks, and the FPR was leaking.  The fuel door latch/spring was broken.  The dash pocket was broken.  The tail lights had the usual delamination.  Someone tried to fix a trunk leak with lots of silicone.  There was lots of heat damage from interior light bulbs.  The windshield had PONTIAC burned into it, but the decal was long gone.  The headlights didn’t go up and down.  The side decals were in poor condition.  The side molding was peeling, and paint was missing from the door handles.  The front parking lights didn’t line up with the holes.  The driver’s door didn’t close properly.  The aftermarket quarter windows were obviously not quite right.  The intermediate shaft was very rusted.  The mirrors needed to be repainted, and the passenger mirror glass was cracked.

Still, the car seemed fairly solid.  The spoiler was straight.  The seats and body panels were in good condition.  The engine ran OK.  The rust wasn’t too bad.  The weatherseals on the doors were still intact.  The dew wipes were passable.  When lifting the decklid, rust couldn’t be heard moving around inside.  The underside was clearly that of a Midwest car, however.

I drove the car 5.5 hours home.  This was a much more pleasant trip than my first Fiero.

I’ve spent several years tracking down parts and pieces, and have been slowly fixing the car back to reasonably nice.  The steering rack and front shocks have been replaced, along with the HVAC control and glove box.  The FPR and bad sensors were replaced.  The fuel injectors were cleaned, and the intake manifold gaskets were replaced.  The coil and tach filter were replaced.  The annoying blue dingy thingy was installed.  The Clifford remote has been removed.  Most of the silicone was removed.  Some of the paint has been fixed.  The headliner continues to sag.  Someone hit my rear bumper with a shopping cart, which caused spider-webs in the paint.  I haven’t gotten to the tires yet, but have put about 7K miles on them.  I’ve cleaned the car quite a bit.  I’ve replaced lots of bulbs and the deformed interior pieces.  I replaced the power window motors, the power lock actuators, and the power window switches.  I replaced the faded controls on the dash, and the shift knob.  I replaced or refinished all the bezels.  I rebuilt the headlight motors.  Did I mention that I converted the car almost completely to LEDs?  I installed electronic relays for the blinkers and hazards, and replaced all the other relays.  I did a rather poor job of fixing the warping in the interior.  The cruise started having issues.    I cleaned the gum off the carpet, and removed some spots (my wife since spilled coffee!!! on the carpet, and my brand new floor mats, and I haven’t gotten to that yet).  I have taken some steps to retard the progress of the rust.  I replaced the front end links and sway bar bushings.  I replaced the brake pedal and the radio, and installed a TFS glove box.  And I installed a self-dimming mirror.  I installed side scoops.  I recalibrated the gauges.  I took apart the entire dash, and treated all the rust, removed trash, and replaced missing screws.  I replaced most of the emblems.  I spent a lot of time restoring the wipers and cowling.  I rebuilt the headlight motors. The deck vents were in poor condition, so I’ve repainted them, but painting isn’t my thing, and I’m not happy with the results—particularly when I saw how well John WPB’s turned out.  Honestly, I haven’t made much progress, thus far.

I’m afraid I mashed up the bottom of the front bumper cover, by hitting the ramps on a trailer.  There’s red paint to show my mistake.

As of September, my car looked like this:








Right now, my Fiero is getting the brake lines, calipers, hoses, and booster replaced, along with a brake fluid flush.  The e-brake is being fixed (it was damaged somehow).  Also, the passenger-side coolant pipe was crushed, so that’s being fixed.  My Fiero will get new fuel lines, new vacuum hoses, new cat, new muffler, and the rest of the exhaust “freshened up”.  I’m hoping to get the intake and valve covers freshly powder-coated.  The rear suspension components will be replaced as needed.  Apparently, the rubber is completely gone from the trailing arms.  I hope to get the cruise fixed.  The ECU will be replaced, and I want to install the digital EGR.  It’ll get a new fuel pump, new sending unit, new alternator, new starter, new water pump, new oil pump, new alternator mount bracket, underdrive pulley, an idler pulley, new AC compressor, and new belts.  The manifolds will be checked for potential issues.  The coolant will be flushed.  All the unused vacuum tubes will be removed.  The rear end links and rear sway bar bushings will be replaced.  It’ll get new valve cover and manifold gaskets, a new timing chain, and…?  I’m sure I’m missing some things.

I was recently told that I’m destroying the car, and don’t deserve it, because I don’t have a garage.  Please don’t be too hard on my car.  It represents a lot of hard work.  I recognize that there is a lot of work remaining to be done.  I haven’t done a lot of the cool things some of the rest of you have done, and probably never will.

Edit:  I found some pics of my old Fiero (http://www.gafiero.org/bbs/index.php?topic=2616.0)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 01, 2017, 07:26:00 pm
I'm totally digging the headlights!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 01, 2017, 07:29:03 pm
Thanks.  They help, but the buckets look terrible.

Now you know all about my Fiero.  Sorry for the length of the post.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: pgackerman on March 03, 2017, 12:38:03 pm

Cool post.  You put a lot of work into your cars.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 03, 2017, 04:44:29 pm
Thanks.  Most of my work is little things.  I'm the type writing a check for the current work being done.  Whatever else it says about me, I figure it says that I recognize my limitations--and the fact that I couldn't afford the citations I'd get while working on it.

I felt badly, because I read all about the builds many of you have done, but you knew nothing of my car.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 04, 2017, 02:40:48 pm
Here's my Fiero at Fierorama in 2014.  In the Park 4 Fun class.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 05, 2017, 03:21:11 pm
Here's my engine in silver.  First coat.  Needs some work, but I think the silver will look good.



You can see a bit of my side scoops.

If you look closely, you can see the red paint transfer on the underside of the nose, where I hit the ramps.  I hope I didn't cause any other damage.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 05, 2017, 04:44:55 pm
Looks Good.

A way to avoid scraping the aero noses on the tow dolly ramps is to use two pieces of 2 x 6 about 2 ft long and 2 bricks or 8 inch pieces of 2 x 4's.  Lay a brick or 2 x 4 underneath each ramp, just a few inches toward the front of the dolly.  Place the end of the 2 x 6 on top of each brick or 2 x 4 and let the ramps down on top of the 2 x 6's.  This will give you a shallower transition that will lift the nose up before it gets to the ramp.  Don't forget to take these pieces with you to wherever you plan to unload. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 05, 2017, 04:52:08 pm
It wasn't a planned thing.  I had no brakes.  The entire car was trailered about 20 miles.  I didn't want to drive it through traffic without brakes.  When I backed it off the trailer, I did place a 2x8 behind the ramps, but I suspect more damage was done going up.  I had to place the 2x8 where I wanted the front tires to stop, going up, but forgot about hitting the nose.  I felt badly enough, without checking for more damage.  Besides, why stress about things you can't change?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 05, 2017, 05:17:18 pm
Any benefit to changing the timing chain to the one that has the piece in the middle?

If the timing chain goes, does the engine really self-destruct?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on March 05, 2017, 06:27:26 pm
Looks very nice. The next thing you should do is pull that accursed steel water plug (all of them) and replace them with brass plugs. The ONLY plug that needs to be steel is the cam plug.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 05, 2017, 06:38:25 pm
Just had a wrench thrown into the works.  Completion delay.  Rrgh!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 05, 2017, 07:55:48 pm
Here is with the transmission:


Here are some accessories:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 05, 2017, 09:26:12 pm
In the second pic above, you can see one of the body panel alignment issues.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on March 05, 2017, 09:48:03 pm
Any benefit to changing the timing chain to the ine that has the piece in the middle?

If the timing chain goes, does the engine really self-destruct?


Are you talking about the metal/plastic guide that bolts between the gears?
It's a separate piece, that is sold independently of the timing sets.
I used a Cloyes roller chain when I built my 3.4. Seems like there wasn't room for the guide. Think I just left it out. (At least I had one left over, in a baggie, when I was done. :D )

As far as I know, a failed chain will not damage the rest of the engine. I don't think it's an interference engine. It'll just run poorly, or not at all. depending upon how badly it has slipped or jumped.
Of course, it may depend upon the amount of lift that the cam provides.
Others have been into them a lot more recently than I have. If I'm wrong, I hope they'll speak up.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 05, 2017, 09:55:59 pm
Yes, the guide.  I'd have liked a roller chain.  My understanding is that the guide helps prevent chain noise and slap.

On my truck, I was told that, if the timing chain went out, the engine would self-destruct.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 05, 2017, 10:44:19 pm
Generally, the aluminum head engines are interference engines, meaning that if the valves don't close at the proper time, they try to defy a law of physics and occupy the same space as part of the piston.  A Fiero engine in it's stock form isn't an interference engine.  Probably the worse damage you can incur should a chain break is that it will destroy the timing chain cover. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 08:06:55 am
Who programs the 7730 ECUs best?  $240 used to be good for a year to get it right, but apparently now it's a charge each time.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 08:24:57 am


Hmmm.  I hope the chains aren't damaging the rockers.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 06:26:29 pm
How long do the cat and muffler last?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 06, 2017, 06:44:44 pm
I don't think a specific time can be assigned to them.  My first 85GT converter gave it up at somewhere around 160K.  The second 85GT didn't even make 100K.  My 87GT converter was still good when I removed it.  I think at about 130K, maybe earlier.  The Duke is at 176K.  All but the first 85GT had/have the original mufflers. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 06:53:18 pm
On my '86 SE, the cat was bad at 139K.  I cut it open, and was showered with parts.  It would've made one heck of a grenade.

My '88 is at 56K.  I dunno if the cat was bad or not, but it will be replaced.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on March 06, 2017, 07:29:30 pm
The car is old enough in most states to no longer require the cat. After burning out 2 I put in a 'test tube'. After 10 years my testing is not yet completed. A lot of numbers to crunch what with the various conditions and all.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 07:29:54 pm
These are pics of an engine that was for sale a while back.  I really liked how clean it looked.  Not so much the orangepeel texture on the intake.









I hope mine turns out as clean.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 07:38:23 pm
Here's my rusty gas tank, with the new pulsator, fuel pump, sending unit, lock ring, and seal.  The TFS kit.



I'm interested to see what issues, if any, it will have.  I suspect the sending unit will need to be adjusted for depth.  It did plug right up.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 07:57:16 pm
Thanks to TopNotch, I've moved all the images to this site, and fixed the links.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 06, 2017, 10:29:39 pm
Looks very nice. The next thing you should do is pull that accursed steel water plug (all of them) and replace them with brass plugs. The ONLY plug that needs to be steel is the cam plug.

I wasn't able to catch the water plugs in time.  What happens, now?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 07, 2017, 06:06:15 pm
All the fuel hoses that TFS sells have been put in place of the originals.  I hope that included the ones that rupture, but suspect I missed a few.

I can't wait to see how the new fuel sender works.

Radiator hoses are ordered, and the crossover coolant tube will be replaced.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 07, 2017, 07:31:04 pm
Last Fall, I was driving my Fiero home from work, when I happened to look in the mirror and see smoke coming out the right decklid vent.  It was hot out, so I had the AC on.  I had to wait through the stoplight, but then pulled over at the fire dept nearby.  The smoke seemed to be coming from the area of the AC compressor.  I turned off the AC, and the smoke stopped, although the air was still cold.

I drove my Fiero with the AC off, and all else seemed to be OK.  I was told that I probably had the black death.  I was disgusted, and parked it for a month or so.  Knowing the work I planned to do, I decided to live with it.  So I drove it to Davenport, Iowa.  That wasn't bad.  Then, I drove it to San Antonie, TX.  THAT was HOT!

We'll see how bad things are.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 07, 2017, 08:17:15 pm
This is the look I was going for with my headlights:


I opted not to go with the halos, or the full-time low beams:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 07, 2017, 08:19:29 pm
Are these back wheels a greater diameter then the fronts?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 07, 2017, 10:08:07 pm
Last Fall, I was driving my Fiero home from work, when I happened to look in the mirror and see smoke coming out the right decklid vent.  It was hot out, so I had the AC on.  I had to wait through the stoplight, but then pulled over at the fire dept nearby.  The smoke seemed to be coming from the area of the AC compressor.  I turned off the AC, and the smoke stopped, although the air was still cold.

I drove my Fiero with the AC off, and all else seemed to be OK.  I was told that I probably had the black death.  I was disgusted, and parked it for a month or so.  Knowing the work I planned to do, I decided to live with it.  So I drove it to Davenport, Iowa.  That wasn't bad.  Then, I drove it to San Antonie, TX.  THAT was HOT!

We'll see how bad things are.

The red car wheels do look staggered.  Some companies like Boyd Wheels used to make staggered sets if you had the money.

Not long after I got my 87, I was driving along when there was a loud explosion and smoke boiled out from the rear of the car.  Somehow I managed to get off into the grass and out of the car before it fully stopped.  I just knew it was that dreaded Fiero failed engine and fire thing.  Luckily, the pressure switch blew out of the compressor and the cloud was a combinarion of R12 and compressor oil that was spraying on the converter.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on March 07, 2017, 10:32:10 pm
I had a similar experience coming home from the 30th.
Loud bang under the car. Lots of smoke out through the vents. Figured that I had blown my engine.
Once I got myself pulled over, I realized that my engine was still running just fine, but my A/C was starting to blow warm.
I drove it on home and checked it when I got there. I had blown the high pressure line off of my compressor manifold.

Curious thing about the Fiero Factory 4.9 swaps. There are no pressure switches on the Caddy compressor, which is retained, and TFF doesn't bother to add any.
The pressure/cycling switch in the front serves as the low pressure switch.
The high side...? The popoff valve on the compressor. Or the high side hose. Whichever goes first, I suppose.

When I rebuilt my A/C, I rectified that situation.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 07, 2017, 11:17:44 pm
Somehow I managed to get off into the grass and out of the car before it fully stopped. I just knew it was that dreaded Fiero failed engine and fire thing.  Luckily, the pressure switch blew out of the compressor and the cloud was a combinarion of R12 and compressor oil that was spraying on the converter.

THAT took some doing.

How likely is the Fiero engine to fail?  I just spent $$ on mine.  For me, any engine failure/fire is dreaded.  I had 5 mazda engine fires, and one in a Dodge.  Not fun.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 07, 2017, 11:54:45 pm
With regular service and maintenance, I think the V6 is a pretty tough engine.  Keep the tach under 5K.  The 88 engine may be a little more forgiving due to the balanced crankshaft.  Both 87 and 88 have improved oiling.  My first 85 has over 300K on it and it went through a lot of Run For The Hills.  Robbie had to park it due to his accident but he still starts it to keep it limber. 

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 08, 2017, 07:38:53 am
I brought this over here so I didn't mess up the other thread.



Your exhaust manifolds and intake tube look way nicer than mine.  I see a nice new coolant tube coming off the thermostat housing.  Is that an MSD didtributor cap?

I see the stainless vacuum tubes.  Did you eliminate some vacuum tubes?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 08, 2017, 07:55:06 am
The crossover could have cracked at the Y like Roger's Formula did.  The honeycomb heat shield has to be removed to repair it.  That usually destroys the shield.   

Is this a frequent thing?  Maybe I should have mine welded while it's out.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 08, 2017, 08:07:10 am
I don't know what distributor cap that is.  Just one that came from the auto parts store.  The hoses are all original and are still on the car.  The only thing currently different from the picture is that I've reinstalled the recall strip on the deck lid and the dogbone has been upgraded to poly bushings. 

I refinished the intake and valve covers while the engine was being prepped for install.  It got a new crankshaft kit and cam bearings.  The heads remained on the engine while that was done.  The intake and covers are actually not that orange.  They look more similar to the distributor cap.  You can see the darker color on the valve cover flanges where the sun doesn't shine so strongly on them.  Some of the shine on the engine is a result of using CD2 Engine Detailer. 

I don't know if the cracked crossover is that frequent, or not.  Apparently it's common enough that TFS offers a replacement for the 88 but not the earlier years.  The most common exhaust break throughout all years is the front exhaust manifold tends to crack around the number 6 exhaust runner where it joins onto the log.  I think that might be a result of a poorly supported exhaust system possibly combined with weak or broken transmission and engine mounts.  I've had one that cracked in that area and the car needed mounts and had some exhaust support springs missing.  It was mostly hanging by the rearmost springs and hanger straps around the muffler and the downpipe flange. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 08, 2017, 08:16:38 am
TFS carried an '88 crossover pipe, and an '84-'87 crossover pipe.  I wanted one for my '88, but they were out.  TFS said it sold so poorly that they won't order more.  They claimed the earlier one could be made to fit.  I wanted a new Y-pipe, but the correct one.  Not buying from WCF.

I had my exhaust manifolds welded a bit to keep them from cracking.

My Fiero came with a poly dogbone.  I'm replacing with a rubber dogbone from Rodney.  I also installed his dogbone cover.

I read about a bunch of issues, and am trying to address them while my cradle is out.  The cradle will also be treated for rust.  No time to sandblast and make it nice and shiny, unfortunately.  Pickup may already have to be pushed back a month.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 08, 2017, 08:40:18 am
The early one can be made to fit, though I don't know how an 84 pipe would ever work out since it never had a V6.  The difference in the 85-87 and the 88 is the length and angle of the downpipes but that can be addressed by cutting and welding. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 08, 2017, 06:16:17 pm
You're right.  85-87 V6.

I want the correct part.  And I like my shield, although would've gone for the heat coating.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 08, 2017, 06:33:20 pm
I refinished the intake and valve covers while the engine was being prepped for install.  It got a new crankshaft kit and cam bearings.  The heads remained on the engine while that was done.  The intake and covers are actually not that orange.  They look more similar to the distributor cap.  You can see the darker color on the valve cover flanges where the sun doesn't shine so strongly on them.

I tried to get mine powder-coated the stock red, but they didn't offer that color.  I know some people painted theirs, but mine will be powder-coated.  Not sure of the pros and cons of paint vs. powder-coat.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 08, 2017, 06:43:46 pm
Interior pics of my Fiero from September:




The left side of the steering wheel is oozing above the horizontal spoke.  Also, the top of the wheel is sun-rotted.

TFS-style glove box.  I've added thickness to mine, because it's very fragile.

I fixed much of the warping in the interior, but I'm not really happy with the job I did.

The white faces on the gauges aren't the right sizes, and don't match up with what's behind them.  I lined up the holes.  For anyone else puttoing these on, make sure to put them on using backlights to address this.  Also, remove the black needle covers ONLY--not the orange needles themselves.  You can gently remove the needle covers with a small flathead screwdriver.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 08, 2017, 06:58:01 pm
These were the decals on the car when I purchased it:




The sun had taken its toll on the decals, so I tried to have them replaced.  They botched the job.  It took me 2 years to find a place to do a better job, but I haven't gotten there to have it done.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on March 09, 2017, 09:30:40 am
These were the decals on the car when I purchased it:
The sun had taken its toll on the decals, so I tried to have them replaced.  They botched the job.  It took me 2 years to find a place to do a better job, but I haven't gotten there to have it done.
Have you tried fierosails.com? They do custom decals. They did my custom wheel centers, and the "XD4" you may have seen in other pictures.

(Old picture, before the repaint)
Of course, you would have to put on any decals you had made yourself.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 09, 2017, 06:00:32 pm
fierosails has helped me with some things.  I've bought from them for about 5 years.  Unfortunately, they can't do dithering.

If you look in my introduction post, I mention Paul's help.

I'll have to show you my centercaps, sometime.  Mine aren't decals, though.

Actually, the sail panels on my SE were also made by fierosails:


I'd really like to meet him, some time.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 09, 2017, 06:23:48 pm
My centercaps match my emblems:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 10, 2017, 08:30:45 am
My ”new” ECU:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 10, 2017, 09:36:21 am
Nice. Looks like it's wired up already? Find an 87-88 duke fiero ecm tray to mount that puppy up.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 10, 2017, 05:07:30 pm
I have the tray.  I just need someone to program the ECU.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 10, 2017, 10:35:59 pm
The pickup has been pushed back a month.  I want this job done right, without rushing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 09:13:48 am
For some reason, my left front parking light sits high in the hole, and doesn't match.  This really triggers one of my OCD's, apparently.  I plan to refinish the mounting brackets, anyway, but how the heck does something enclosed like a parking light get out of alignment?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 11, 2017, 09:23:31 am
I know that the left one in my 86SE sits high because I've been working with it to find out why it doesn't illuminate.  I found it had an 1157 bulb in it instead of the 2057 bulb, but that didn't change the illumination problem that developed when I changed to the generation 2 system. 

I haven't looked at the 87 and 88 parking lights in a while, but I know the 86's left light is high. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 11, 2017, 10:20:37 am
I can do a program for you. Post auto or manual, mods to the motor, tire size (if not stock).  $150 first program, $250 for one year ongoing. Postage not included. If ongoing, you'll have to provide logging data to get it right.
If you'd like to learn this yourself (if you're ocd, It's like crack, so be careful), we can walk you through it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 10:38:18 am
Ok.  I'll see what he says (the guy who has the computer).

Looks like I'll be replacing my rear shocks.  KYB, Koni, or...?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on March 11, 2017, 11:39:32 am
I love my KYB shocks. Well worth the money in my opinion.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 11:50:51 am
Like this?



https://www.fierostore.com/Product/Detail.aspx?s=57611%20%20%20%20%201988

I think I have Konis on the front.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 11, 2017, 12:37:47 pm
What was the 7730 in previously?  It may be programmed already?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 01:30:12 pm
I don't know what it was in.  It came with pigtails.  It's a reman unit.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 01:34:32 pm
Somewhere, I've got to find a pigtail for the digital EGR.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 02:26:22 pm
If you look at the quarter window in this picture, you can see one of the curvature issues.  The fact that my rear clip isn't on correctly exacerbates the issue, but the curvature does not match.  The front doesn't curve in properly, but the entire window is basically flat, then put on a curved surface.  This results in odd flat spots at various places on the window itself.  Also, the window bulges a bit away from the B-pillar, resulting in airflow (and debris) getting between the B-pillar and the window.  Eventually, the debris, or potentially ice could cause the window to come loose.




These are aftermarket windows from a known vendor.

Some day, I'll get the rear clip put on correctly, which will help several issues.

Edit: Oops.
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Post by: Fierofool on March 11, 2017, 05:37:38 pm
I don't see any comparison pictures of the quarter windows. 

Have you checked with Sinister Performance about programming the ECM?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 05:43:34 pm
I don't see any comparison pictures of the quarter windows. 

Have you checked with Sinister Performance about programming the ECM?

I think it's with Ryan Glick, right now.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 06:26:48 pm
Added my pic above  For comparison, here are some other windows at similar angles:



Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 06:32:30 pm
What was the 7730 in previously?  It may be programmed already?

Apparently, from an '87 Chevy Celebrity.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on March 11, 2017, 07:05:23 pm
Like this?

https://www.fierostore.com/Product/Detail.aspx?s=57611%20%20%20%20%201988

I think I have Konis on the front.

Those are the ones.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 07:10:40 pm
Like this?

https://www.fierostore.com/Product/Detail.aspx?s=57611%20%20%20%20%201988

I think I have Konis on the front.

Those are the ones.

Great.  Ordering Monday.  I received other positive reviews on these, also.

I guess now is at least as good of a time as any to replace them.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 11, 2017, 07:57:05 pm
Quote
I think it's with Ryan Glick, right now.

If Ryan's got it, You don't need me!  He knows his stuff and somehow (voodoo) can program blind and get real close the first time. Sounds like you're in good hands.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 08:17:57 pm
Quote
I think it's with Ryan Glick, right now.

If Ryan's got it, You don't need me!  He knows his stuff and somehow (voodoo) can program blind and get real close the first time. Sounds like you're in good hands.

Pricey, though.  I hope he gets it right, the first time.  I don't want to have to send it back.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 08:20:15 pm
I want it done a bit differently.  Since over 5K is bad, I'd like it to shift there, and redline there.  Something like that.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 11, 2017, 10:47:04 pm
A window closeup:


You can see the curve issues, although this is a good install.  The quality of this particular window is much better than either of mine, although my driver's side is the worse of mine.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 12, 2017, 01:03:49 pm
I'm trying out names for my Fiero.  Someone suggested LED Sled, so I tried it, but that made people think of these things:







Nothing wrong with them, just not me.

So, my Fiero is slow.  The 2.8 was called a boat anchor.  Boat anchors were made of lead.  It drives like a sled.  So, Lead Sled.  Just trying it out.  What do you think?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on March 12, 2017, 03:21:13 pm
Mine is (unofficially) the Cookie Monster.
The color is very close, and it's also a tribute to the first dog that Tammy and I had, as a couple.

The white one is The Ghost In The Machine. I suppose. :D
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 13, 2017, 05:49:13 pm
Is that a Windows logo in the botton right of the Mustang grille?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 13, 2017, 07:57:02 pm
Lead Sled as in the way you described it.

Lead (leed) Sled, as in the way you want it once an engine swap is done.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 13, 2017, 08:12:26 pm
Ha.  I'd rather follow someone.  I'm notorious for getting lost.

Just to be clear on my car, my goals are as follows, in no particular order:
1. Keep car mostly original, with tasteful modernizations that remain true to the car
2. Restore the car to newish in areas I work on, as I am able
3. Provide for some driveability improvements
4. Maintain the car
5. Enjoy it!

I have no intention of making the car fast.  I want lower RPMs on the highway, I want the engine to breathe better, and I want to fix some things the factory didn't get right.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 13, 2017, 10:04:27 pm
I've been thinking about my steering wheel.  I am not a fan of the way they look when the goo has leaked out, and have no intention of letting mine deteriorate to that condition.  I'm mentally weighing several options.  I really like the steering wheel stereo, but I rarely listen to the radio, which is why I have not replaced the speakers, and have the antenna off.

What did you do, with your steering wheel?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 13, 2017, 10:50:37 pm
My 86SE has the GT style 3-spoke, but it's made of hard rubber.  My first 85 had dripped most of the stuff out of it before I got it and the leather was twisted around the core until it was pretty tight.  I never replaced it.  There's a guy in NC, I believe his handle is irrationable, that restores and re-covers steering wheels.  The pictures I've seen and the reviews are excellent. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 14, 2017, 03:39:24 am
I re-stuffed mine. http://www.gafiero.org/bbs/index.php?topic=1948.msg18065#msg18065 (http://www.gafiero.org/bbs/index.php?topic=1948.msg18065#msg18065)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 14, 2017, 07:09:00 am
There is that.  You're a man of many talents.

I have a sun spot on the top of my wheel.  It seemed that you used the original leather.  I'd replace my leather.  I'd probably acid-dip the wheel, also, to get rid of the rust on the spokes.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 14, 2017, 06:25:20 pm
There's a guy on pennocks that is earning a good reputation refurbishing steering wheels. I think txgood does a fat one, or do I have that wrong? 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 14, 2017, 06:51:07 pm
Irrationable.  He does good work, but is also going to school.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 14, 2017, 08:15:13 pm
Here's a wheel I have.  I'm not sure it would work with the plan for this Fiero.  It will fit, and I used it on a different Fiero for a few days (until a Fiero steering wheel arrived), but I never tried to hook up the horn.  I'm sure the horn could work, but I've never tried it.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 14, 2017, 08:47:21 pm
Other than Pat's mod to the horn paddles, this is the only answer to the broken paddled.  I like that wheel.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 14, 2017, 09:11:31 pm
I liked it, too.  That's why I bought it, but this was only part of the deal.  I figured to use the center from a GTA wheel:


Then there's all the fun of wiring it up.  Unfortunately, I couldn't find a center in good condition.  I'd also have had to mould a cover that had a Fiero logo to replace this Pontiac one.  There were other demands on my time.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 14, 2017, 09:36:50 pm
Something I've been thinking about is wheel thickness.  My SE had a thin brown 4-spoke wheel, but the black 4-spoke wheel I ordered was thicker.  My GT's wheel is as thick as the black 4-spoke wheel I put on my SE (I changed all the controls on the SE to black, because I didn't like the dirty black marks on the brown).  Which is better, thicker or thinner?  Why were the wheels different thicknesses?

I know I drove a Saturn with a wheel that was too thick.  Or, much thicker than I was used to.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on March 14, 2017, 09:57:57 pm
Thick vs thin... It's all a matter of preference.

The main difference between all of the Fiero wheels, and all of the other wheels, is that the Fiero Wheels are "flatter". The others have what amounts to a thicker hub, which places the wheel closer to the driver. ~3/4 inch closer, I believe. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 15, 2017, 06:37:06 pm
I've heard that the Fiero's exhaust manifolds are poorly welded and thin, so I'm having them welded in all the connecting and thin areas.  Does the Y-pipe require this also?  I hate to damage the heat shield.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 15, 2017, 08:53:10 pm
Here's my wheel.  It's a bit different.  I didn't like the unstitched flaps in the back, or the exposed spokes, so here's my solution.

Before:


After:




Reality didn't quite meet expectations, but it's done.  I think this one is unique, as of this posting.  I haven't shown this elsewhere, or posted it elsewhere.  Better?  Worse?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 17, 2017, 08:23:05 am
No one?

Looks as if Don K. used this wheel, but did he get the horn working?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 17, 2017, 08:43:57 am
I think your wheel looks good.  Nice stitching.  And I do believe Don had the horn working.  I think that was in Anne's 85GT. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 17, 2017, 06:05:27 pm
Yes, on Phoenix.  I'm not sure why he didn't address the warping before painting the interior and all the other work he did.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 17, 2017, 06:07:25 pm
What do you do with those vents on the sides of your center console?  Mine are a bit warped.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 17, 2017, 06:32:10 pm
Shorten your legs, slide your seats foeward so you can't see them.  😉  But seriously, you may be able to suspend them on each end, place a small weight in the center and heat them with a hair dryer enough to take some of the bow out of them.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 17, 2017, 06:37:44 pm
I'd still know they're warped.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 17, 2017, 06:55:01 pm
Other than Pat's mod to the horn paddles, this is the only answer to the broken paddled.  I like that wheel.

Does that mean that other people have done this, as well?  I mean, besides Donster.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 17, 2017, 08:30:59 pm
Which is the fuel hose that breaches?  Or, asked another way, if I replaced all the fuel hoses that TFS sells, have I replaced everything in the fuel lines I need to worry about?

I want this done right while it's apart.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 20, 2017, 06:25:45 pm
My engine and transmission are mounted on the cradle.

Unfortunately, that's the good news.  The bad news is, 5 months in, the job is less than half done, and the extended pickup date is less than 7 weeks off.

I think the engine could be back in the car within 2 days' time, but we're waiting on parts from TFS, and for the exhaust, and for the powdercoating.

The wiring harness still needs to go in, the brake lines and hoses still need to be replaced, the transmission coolant lines still need to be replaced, the brake calipers and booster still need to be replaced, the coolant overflow tank needs to be replaced, all the coolant hoses need to be replaced, the rear struts need to be replaced, the tri-links need to be replaced, the engine needs all the top dressing done, the cruise needs to be replaced, the rear end links and swaybar bushings need to be replaced, the cruise stalk needs to be replaced, and I'm sure there's more...
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 20, 2017, 09:18:40 pm
You have the two fuel lines that go to the rail.  One's a feed, and the other's excess return to the tank.  There's a vapor canister with a hose coming from the tank or filler neck  I've never had occasion to see which, but one of them also goes back to the intake to evacuate the canister, I believe. 

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 20, 2017, 09:22:40 pm
Which is the line that ruptures?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 20, 2017, 09:36:58 pm
Here's a pic of the engine on the cradle:
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 20, 2017, 09:40:37 pm
Here are the fuel lines coming up:




I'm a bit irritated about that rusty bracket on my shiny new fuel filter, but I can easily pull it and fix it up; I'll just have to disconnect the fuel filter.  I already have to pull the fuel tank again to fix it like this:


The coolant hoses had the rusty clamps put back on, instead of the new ones I provided.  I do expect him to correct that.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 20, 2017, 10:12:34 pm
Which is the line that ruptures?

I don't know if it's any of them outside the tank, but the little outlet hose on top of the fuel pump is the one that usually comes apart due to the ethanol gasolines. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 20, 2017, 10:17:58 pm
I hope I replaced it here:


The tube I'm worried about is the one that ruptures when you're filling up.  I used the TFS kit, but it didn't seem to include any rubber hoses for inside the tank, although I didn't really study the sending unit. None of the rubber hoses in the tank were otherwise replaced.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 08:07:02 am
What happens with steel water plugs?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 21, 2017, 08:27:37 am
I can't tell by your photo of the sending unit and pump, but the rubber hose fits in the area where the silver pulsator is located on the top of the pump.

Steel freeze plugs can rust if proper antifreeze mixture isn't maintained.  Marine engines use brass plugs because of all the galvanic reactions happening within a boat.  My boat replacement engine had steel plugs and I changed them out for brass.  I also put some sacraficial annodes made of zinc inside several places in the intake manifold where water passed over them.  That was to keep the engine from being attacked. 

There are only 2 hoses on the tank filler.  The main hose, and a small vent hose.  The vent hose lets air escape from the topmost part of the tank, back to the filler neck.  This allows better filling of the tank without blowback.  It's the larger hose that usually develops a hole since it comes in direct contact with gasoline during filling. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 01:57:36 pm
Lots of parts arriving today.  I got a weatherstrip for my door, a seal for the sunroof (I'm still waiting on a correction to the sunroof tracks), Indy parts, window helpers, the info center, a Holley side scoop, a nicer defrost switch, and some screws that won't rust for the front.  I'm trying to get some bolts for the control arms and the brake hoses that won't rust.  Also, I want license plate screws that won't rust.  Additionally, the struts and transmission cooling lines should arrive today.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 02:00:31 pm
Here is the rubber hose I found on TFS.  I couldn't find the other one on the site.  Is this the external hose that ruptures?  The one in the tank rupturing won't cause a fire.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on March 21, 2017, 02:56:22 pm
This picture illustrates where the hose that must be immersible goes (the assembly is upside down in this picture)...

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 04:57:26 pm
I used a pulsator.  Isn't the hose used in place of the pulsator?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on March 21, 2017, 05:05:18 pm
I used a pulsator.  Isn't the hose used in place of the pulsator?

Yes, but modern pumps don't require one, and don't come with a new one, so if yours is toast, you can use a hose.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 05:07:52 pm
Ah.  I replaced the sending unit, the pump, the strainer, the pulsator, the seal, and the lock ring.  I'm also replacing all the fuel hoses that TFS sold at the time.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 05:15:30 pm
I think these HVAC controls look really cool, but doubt I'll be able to do this on my Fiero.



I'm also partial to the strut cover, but can't figure out how to do it on an '88.


Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 07:39:06 pm
I currently have the single-row LED side markers.  I've been wondering about these side markers.  Probably a tight fit.  The strips would be straight, for sure.  I don't know if they stay true to the car, and am worried that maybe they put out too much light.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 07:51:00 pm
Here are my door sill inserts.  All polished and shiny.  No, it's not your eyes.  I tried to get a clear shot, but fuzzy is the best my camera would do.


I have 7 pairs.  I did 3 sets.  I still have 2 gold, one silver, and a plain set.  These were badly scratched, so they were filled, sanded, and polished.  I haven't decided what to do with the remaining sets.  I like the look, but am not sure if a flat or matte finish would be more suited to the car.

Edit: Other attempts, with better lighting:






Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 21, 2017, 08:37:05 pm
Were these 3D printed or refurbished originals?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 21, 2017, 08:43:13 pm
These are all originals.  It never occurred to me to try printing these.  I have some molded parts, and some injection parts, though.

I never managed to print any Fiero parts.  By the time that guy put up the clips, my 3D printers were long gone.

I don't know why some images have green splotches in the lettering.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2017, 07:35:53 am
Have you used one of these?


It's supposed to display OBD info.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 23, 2017, 01:50:42 pm
Where did you find that?  Cool!  How do I get my grubby paws on one too?!
Is it compatible with obd1 $24 or $88 or what? 
Inquiring minds want to know!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2017, 04:43:13 pm
Hmmm.  I don't know if it will work or not.  From how the wiring connects, I believe it should work.  It's called DashScan II.  You have me a bit worried.  You can try getting one from Oliver here (http://www.fieros.de/en/ds/), but it takes time, even if he still has parts left.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2017, 08:09:03 pm
Should I be at all concerned with how the motor is sitting here?  Or, more specifically, with what it's sitting on?



I'm also concerned about possible damage to the rockers.  Should I be?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 23, 2017, 08:30:18 pm
It depends upon how long it sits uncovered.  The rockets are pretty sturdy but they should have used a spreader or balance beam on the lifting chain.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2017, 08:32:48 pm
What about the bottom of the engine?  Aren't there shafts underneath, tubes, etc that may get damaged?

I thought so, too, about a spreader.  I guess it could have been worse.  My valve covers could have been on.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on March 23, 2017, 08:35:31 pm
If there's no oil pan, it's not good for it to be sitting on the concrete like that.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2017, 08:36:22 pm
Great...

I didn't see an oil pan.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 23, 2017, 09:58:39 pm
The 1 thing I see that's a no-no is it's being lifted by the front exhaust manifold rather than a lifting point.  If there's no pan, the bearings are being filled with grit.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2017, 10:01:38 pm
Hmmm.  I wonder what else I missed.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2017, 11:44:36 pm
He says the oil pan was on, the engine covered when not in use, the chain didn't touch the rockers, and the transmission wasn't attatched when lifting by the manifold.  Made me feel a little better.  Except I see the transmission on it in that pic.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 24, 2017, 09:23:50 pm
Where did you find that?  Cool!  How do I get my grubby paws on one too?!
Is it compatible with obd1 $24 or $88 or what? 
Inquiring minds want to know!

I forgot to mention that the DashScan II will probably run you a couple hundred.  I emailed Oliver about the 7730, but haven't heard back.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 25, 2017, 08:06:33 am
I'd like to do something like these hood vents with my hood, someday, but can this be done without compromising the seal in the front compartment?  Also, how about water/debris getting in there?  Of course, not deliberate, but leaves, pollen, everything.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 25, 2017, 09:01:52 am
Vents can be installed far enough forward that you don't need to cut through the front bulkhead.  Expanded metal mesh can keep most debris out.  Even with water running into the vents when parked, I believe it misses everything that's important.  A single vent might dump it on the fan motor, so a dual vent as you show would dump it onto the fan, either side of the motor. 

Tha Driver, Paul Angel, in Commerce, Ga., makes a variety of hood, fender, deck and side scoops.  You can contact him at
ImThaDriver "at" Yahoo.Com

http://angelonearth.net/customfiberglass/hoods.html
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 25, 2017, 09:28:09 am
Yes, I've PM'd him a bit on here.  I really like his STM scoop for the decklid. These scoops are from something else.  Not that he couldn't make them, but I like this style over the scoops I've seen on his site.  Of course, I'm only interested in this scoop if it does function to let air out from under the hood.

The Driver is apparently a busy guy, these days.

Here's the look I like:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 28, 2017, 05:39:05 pm
Here is Oliver's reply about the DashScan II:

Quote
Unfortunately the Scantool part doesn't work with the 7730, neither does the mileage display. These are Fiero-only features.
I am in the process of switching to the 7730 as well, which is why I have been working on the successor of DashScan for my Fiero as well.

I asked about the possibility of buying the new version.  We'll see.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 28, 2017, 05:42:42 pm
I think I offended the guy working on my Fiero.  First with the question about the chains on the rockers; then, I said I want to see the video of it coughing to life.  He said it will start right up.  It hasn't run since October 19th, and has been apart, new fuel pump and lines, new computer, etc, so I figured....won't it take a moment to get everything sync'd up?  Heck, I figured it would smoke a bit.  I know when I run the fuel system cleaner in an engine, it smokes.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 28, 2017, 05:45:11 pm
I guess pics make a difference.  I had posted this thread (http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/132417.html) about my Fiero on PFF.  No replies, but I hadn't posted any pics.  As I read through that post, it really doesn't seem I've made much progress since then.  Wow.  Three years ago, already!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 28, 2017, 06:45:35 pm
This is what's on the Fastback Formula.  It is functional and it seems to keep the water off the engine.  I think it's a Mustang scoop.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 28, 2017, 06:51:18 pm
I don't really like the thing in the middle.  I'm sure it helps prevent sagging, though.  This one isn't completely glassed in.  I can see where the scoop isn't fully attached.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 29, 2017, 05:08:51 pm
I'm not complaining, but I want to put this out there for future consideration.

When you have your car worked on--any car, but particularly your Fiero--make sure that the person working on your car is as particular as you are.  For example, my attitude is that rust must go.  I don't care if it's surface rust, slight rust, early rust, or any other type of rust.  I will replace, cut, weld, resurface, sand, coat, or whatever it takes to get rid of rust.  I don't want to see rust.  I don't want to have to deal with it later.  I don't want to worry about it.  It don't want others to find rust on my car.  The easiest way to do this is to seek out and eliminate rust, and to deal with it as you find it.  Additionally, when my car is apart, I want to replace any and all questionable parts with the best part.  The idea of re-using a hose, just because it hasn't failed yet is beyond me.  I do not understand putting in a cheap part, just because it will work, and it will ”make do”.  My understanding of ”making do” is building parts that aren't available for purchase.  I think of it this way: your engine could be slapped together so ot runs, or it could be blueprinted.  Which would you prefer?  My Fiero has 29-year-old rubber.  While they may not be bad now, they will be bad, and certainly aren't good now.  I don't see putting in used bushings as an option.  I want new bushings that at least meet the factory spec.  Call me picky, but I was taught to do the job right, the first time.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 29, 2017, 05:10:50 pm
My powder-coated intake and valve covers are due back this week, as is my ECU chip.  Apparently, I'm using an aggressive fuel mapping.

All the coolant and fuel lines are run.  The new coolant reservoir is installed.  Brake lines are still a work in progress.  The serpentine belt will have to be measured.  I'm sure the stock belt won't fit with the tensioner pulley and power pulley.  I'm hoping the engine will be in by the middle of next week.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on March 29, 2017, 05:58:19 pm
I'm not complaining, but I want to put this out there for future consideration.

When you have your car worked on--any car, but particularly your Fiero--make sure that the person working on your car is as particular as you are...


It depends.
I'm not after show quality as long as something is "serviceable".
I just replaced all the bushings and lower balljoints in my 88 coupe. I cleaned the control arms and lateral links with Mean Green before I put everything back together.
I did NOT remove the front or rear cradle to paint anything.
I did not paint. Anything. With the exception of the valve cover on the Duke.
My cars are designed to be drivers, not show cars. If they happen to win something along the way, that's great! But it's not a priority.
My gray car has had so much stuff done to it (call it "mission creep") that I seldom drive it any more. It's to the point that I've actually considered selling it.
The white car still looks like a turd. I'd drive it anywhere. :D
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 29, 2017, 06:09:13 pm
Mine is far from a show car.  When they announce the points score, mine is one of the first.  They work up from there.  I was dissappointed that, after all the time and effort I put into cleaning the engine compartment, my score sheet had the word ”disgusting” in the comments section.  I'd removed all the cobwebs, and everything I could get off with the degreaser, but there were dark spots I couldn't get to, or couldn't scrub off.

My goal is that the car will be better when I finish with it than it was when I got it.  I apply that to trails I use, as well.  You know, remove fallen trees, trim the weeds, fill in ruts, etc.  With my cars, they may not look like much, but they're always mechanically sound.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 30, 2017, 07:24:25 pm
I got this.  Hope it's the right thing and fits.  The foam is worrisome.



I'd prefer a darker, less glaring color.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on March 31, 2017, 06:37:19 am
Must be from a satellite.....
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 31, 2017, 07:09:17 am
It's Dynamat Hoodliner.  Yeah, it looks like something that went in with the recall.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 31, 2017, 08:44:13 pm
I'm hoping I got the right thing.  I'll have to remove the heatshield currently on the firewall.  We'll see.  Anyway, I covered up the edges with aluminum tape.  Again, hopefully the right thing.  It's for heat ducts, not engine bays.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 02, 2017, 07:16:41 pm
Oops.  Apparently, I should've used this:

It's Steiner Velvet Shield carbon fiber welding blanket, and it can withstand direct contact of up to 1800 degrees F. So it will definitely stand up to engine heat. You can get a 4x6 foot one from Northern Tool on this page (http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200332391_200332391)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 03, 2017, 06:07:10 pm
Here's a preview:


Comments?  Likey, no likey?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 03, 2017, 08:54:22 pm
Is it a color on a theme?  Personally, I like the stock red, but I've seen several that had a theme going and it worked out very well.  Hope it's high temp paint and you baked it in the oven.  Good finish on it. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 03, 2017, 08:58:52 pm
I like the stock red, also, but it wasn't available.  This is a powder-coat.  I wanted a much brighter red.  Like candy apple.  This is red with a gold flake.  I can't wait to see how it turned out.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 03, 2017, 09:34:58 pm
Is that for your boat?
Lol. Just kidding! 
I'd like to paint my whole dang car candy Apple red.....except for the windshield and some other glass.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 03, 2017, 09:54:56 pm
Is that for your boat?
Lol. Just kidding! 
I'd like to paint my whole dang car candy Apple red.....except for the windshield and some other glass.

Well, yeah.  They say that the 2.8 is a boat anchor.  It's raining here, so...

I'm not sure about a theme.  I'm not good with themes.

Any one of these reds (in no particular order) would have been my preference, but we'll see.






Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 04, 2017, 02:19:35 am
I'll take #1 and #3 (same car?).  Those get my vote!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 04, 2017, 08:04:29 am
Not the same car.  The last one is a bobtail.  I think it's just the different lighting, but both look to be the stock 87 and 88 Maroon (Medium Red Metallic).
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 04, 2017, 08:05:10 am
No, not the same car.  Notice the spoiler?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 04, 2017, 08:06:08 am
Bobtail, huh?  Never heard that one before.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on April 04, 2017, 01:23:19 pm
Bobtail, huh?  Never heard that one before.

AKA "wing delete". Which is really a misnomer. Wings were optional on all GTs, even though most of them had them.
There was not a "delete" option. They just weren't ordered.
(A few fastback GTs were even ordered with luggage racks. Quite uncommon, but still an option.)

My favorite Fiero color is probably Medium Red Metallic. (Or burgundy or maroon, if you prefer.)
 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 04, 2017, 06:34:16 pm
No, not the same car.  Notice the spoiler?

I couldn't see. I was blinded by the shiny paint!  I'm used to dull paint with fades in it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 04, 2017, 06:36:26 pm
Silver does that.  Maybe Spohia Sophia will want your silver Fiero, and you can get a red Fiero. 

(Fixed for you)
(Charlie)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 04, 2017, 08:15:09 pm
Oops.  Thanks.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 08, 2017, 07:01:25 am
I wish I could say that the cradle is back in the car, but it isn't.  For this to be ready in a month, I think that needs to be done by now.  I figure it will take at least 2 weeks to do the initial run with logging data, 2 reprograms, and get the shift points right.

Next weekend nothing will happen.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 10, 2017, 07:41:31 pm
Struts, axles, and tri-links are in.  I see lots of rust, so that will have to be addressed.  The knuckles I'll deal with later.  Rotors and dust shields, too.  The rust on plates above the struts, and on the cradle must be treated, though.

Valve covers are on.  Manifolds are back on.

I figure it could be running with 2 days' work.  Unfortunately, there is still a lot to do.  The upper intake, EGR, cruise, heater core, cradle mounting, brake calipers, wiring and hoses hook-up, fluids, getting everything running smoothly again, etc.

Now, it's filthy and needs a cleaning.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 10, 2017, 08:46:53 pm


Well, there it is.  Several disappointing things:
1. I wanted to do the coil pack like this:

but unfortunately, the wiring was done to wire on the trunk wall.  If I change it at this point, I'll have to change the pickup date (again).  I know this one (f85gtron's) wasn't the first (I've seen at least one other one), but his was my inspiration.  Yeah, I'm upset, can you tell?  I said I wanted it done this way, and was told we could discuss later.  I mentioned it twice since, and it still won't get done that way.
2. The cradle was supposed to have been cleaned up BEFORE the engine and transmission were mounted.
3. When the block was modified to take the transmission, metal filings were left all over, causing inevitable rust.

I'm also told that replacing the factory firewall insulation will make it look terrible, and must be done in pieces.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 10, 2017, 11:03:04 pm
My old struts were dead.  No response whatsoever.  I was completely on the springs.  I'm hoping the back end will be tight, now.  I probably should've installed Rodney's girdle kit, but that will have to wait for another time.  I'm trying not to do too many things at once.  As much as I hate to do a job halfway, and as much as it irks me to repeat effort, I have to draw the line somewhere.

So far, here's my redo list from this job:
1. Pull gas tank, treat for rust and paint.
2. Pull filler tube, treat for rust and paint.
3. Pull knuckles, sand blast and powdercoat.
4. Pull fuel filter, treat for rust and paint.
5. Drop cradle, strip and paint.
6. Replace brake dust shields.
7. Pull radiator mounts, treat, and paint.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 11, 2017, 06:30:14 pm
Notice anything missing?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 11, 2017, 07:06:07 pm
Big vacuum port on the goose neck. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 11, 2017, 07:07:06 pm
Yeah.  I guess it can be drilled...
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 11, 2017, 07:11:07 pm
Drill it slightly under sized, slightly chamfer the hole,  lay your port sleeve on a block of dry ice for about 30 minutes, then quickly insert it.  Maybe put a little LocTite in the hole before inserting the port sleeve. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 11, 2017, 07:15:02 pm
Just so it doesn't leak (or fall out).

Believe it or not, this was my color inspiration for the valve covers and intake:




For color comparison, here is mine:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 12, 2017, 06:52:57 am
If you've done the dawg mod, a straight nipple may not allow the house to fit any longer. When I did mine, I drilled and taped a hole, then screwed in a 90 or 45 brass fitting w/nipple to accommodate the hose.  I think that's the cgv rattle valve hose fitting
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 12, 2017, 08:19:01 am
I wonder if the hole could just be drilled on the side.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 12, 2017, 08:20:05 am
So, my manifolds are painted black, and the bolts are gold.  Will this last, or just until the engine gets hot?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 12, 2017, 08:48:27 am
Unless it's some type of ceramic, it probably won't last.  I think even ceramic manifold coatings discolor to some degree. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 12, 2017, 05:50:02 pm
Won't last, as in discoloration, or as in it will flake off, or...?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 12, 2017, 07:41:18 pm
Here is a stock valve cover, for comparison:


Here, with a porting mod, no EGR:


Here cut for a similar mod, but keeping the EGR:


My EGR port on the intake has been moved further down the neck and centered on the neck length, which effectively moved it further from the EGR.  We'll have to see if the EGR tube reaches without risk.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 12, 2017, 09:48:29 pm
Ceramic, properly applied shouldn't flake.  It may discolor.  Raydar has had ceramic coating done.  He  may know.

The 3.4 EGR tube may be long enough for your mod.  Or get Rodney to fabricate a longer one for you.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 12, 2017, 09:58:06 pm
Rodney isn't really in the mood for Fiero parts, lately.

My manifolds are painted with header paint & primer.  What will the paint do?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 12, 2017, 10:05:06 pm
The paint is designed for much higher temps than an intake experiences.  It's probably ok. Exhausts are the ones that may discolor.  I use high temp engine paint on intakes and valve covers without issues.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 12, 2017, 10:15:30 pm
My intake and valve covers are powder-coated.  My manifolds are painted.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on April 13, 2017, 12:04:25 am
I'm thinking that, over time, the paint will dull (if it's not already) then will gradually burn off. It may flake a bit.
Ceramic coating (I generally get "near chrome") will dull out, over time, to a matte silver, but will retain it's insulating properties. i was able to eliminate all my exhaust heat shields, on my Formula, without roasting anything. (Left the shields on the SD4. But there was wiring *right behind* them.)
I don't have any good pics of the V6 stuff, but the SD4 was the most recent.
At this point, the tubes were already a bit "cooked". I had a bad carb (before I installed the Holley). Was running so lean that it turned a couple of the pipes red, even through the coating.


edit: I shrunk the image a bit to make the text more legible. - tshark
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 13, 2017, 12:10:55 am
So that was shiny red, originally?  The exhaust still looks good.

Off topic, but I just have to ask.  How many Fieros do you have, Raydar?

You had a 3.4.  You have a 4.9.  You have a silver or white car (my memory fails me).  You have/had an SD4?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 13, 2017, 12:12:12 am
Holy cow.  It's tomorrow!  I need to go to bed.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 14, 2017, 08:05:39 pm
Look what I found:


Scenic background and all.  The bridge getting to this place was one of those wooden affairs with no sides.  The bridge sortof moved as I drove over it.  It's designed to sit in the water, but not completely impede water flow.  The bridge was wide enough for 1 vehicle.  Not as bad as some bridges that just have planks for the wheels on either side.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 18, 2017, 09:19:27 pm
What do you think of my floor mats?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Drewbdo on April 21, 2017, 09:38:08 am
Nice mats! Where did you  get those made?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 21, 2017, 06:46:28 pm
Thanks.

From TFS.  Custom order.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 23, 2017, 05:29:32 pm
Rrgh.  Won't start.  The fuel pump runs, but that's about it.  Something electrical.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 23, 2017, 06:12:57 pm
I'm remiss.  Here's the pic you're waiting for:


Everything is now hooked up, although the exhaust work isn't done past the Y-pipe, and the decklid isn't on.  No wheels on yet, either.

I dunno.  How do you like the color?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 23, 2017, 07:08:18 pm
Dang neutral safety switch!  It started!  Vroom, VROOOM!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 23, 2017, 08:33:20 pm
Tach is good.  Oil reads correctly.  Volts read correctly.  Temp reads correctly.  No check engine light.

Fuel gauge, not reading correctly..
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 24, 2017, 07:38:30 pm
Here's the cruise installed on the firewall:


It needs some cleaning and polishing.

You can see the harness going through to this:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 25, 2017, 05:52:00 pm
If it isn't one thing, it's something else.  The gauge reads warm.  Not in the red, but well past halfway.  It should stay below the halfway mark.  The water pump is new from TFS, and is working.  Testing the sensor.  Will see what the computer says.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 25, 2017, 06:25:03 pm
And the equalizer on the ebrake broke, somehow.  Fortunately, I have a new equalizer here.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 25, 2017, 08:07:28 pm
Brand new TPS.  Bad.  Put the old one in, it works fine.  New one, not so much.  Runs very rich with new TPS.

Bad new parts list: alternator (burned up), TPS (bad), IAC (bad), neutral safety switch (first 3 were bad), fuel/temp gauge, sending unit.  The old parts work fine.  Checking wiring on the sending unit.

Brakes are bled.  Car was wheels down as of yesterday afternoon.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 25, 2017, 08:24:20 pm
Going for a test drive.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 26, 2017, 07:40:26 am
Obviously, it needs an alignment, then it goes to the exhaust shop.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Drewbdo on April 26, 2017, 10:14:35 am
Well, a little at a time, it's coming along. :)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 26, 2017, 05:46:30 pm
Very slóooooooooowly.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 26, 2017, 06:18:18 pm
I read somewhere that the 4.9 with the Ocelot exhaust was too quiet.  Raydar's post, IIRC.

I will have Rodney's cat, and a Spintech muffler.  Any idea how that will sound?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Drewbdo on April 27, 2017, 02:09:09 pm
I read somewhere that the 4.9 with the Ocelot exhaust was too quiet.  Raydar's post, IIRC.

No... my car, which won't run... that's "too quiet". :) lol
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 27, 2017, 05:08:29 pm
Yeah, I want to hear mine, but not share the sound with too many people at once.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 28, 2017, 06:00:01 pm
Well, it does drive under its own power, but it has no power.  I think it's in the wrong gear.  All the shift points are wrong.  It idles fine in park, but seems to have a miss when put into drive.  It falls on its face over 1,500 RPM.

Any ideas?  The suggestion of a bad coil pack has been floated.

Edit: And I think it's the wrong VSS.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on April 28, 2017, 07:45:20 pm
Where is the timing set?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 28, 2017, 08:46:22 pm
Sounds like the timing was set without jumpering the ALDL.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 28, 2017, 09:37:22 pm
Thank you both.  I'll have him check.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 28, 2017, 10:59:42 pm
If dis, then no mechanical timing.....only in programming. Do you have a copy of the .bin that you could post?  I could look at it to make sure the spark settings are correct.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 29, 2017, 09:06:24 am
Yes, DIS.  No, .bin.  Ryan G. did the programming, so in theory...

I think we may have figured it out.  I'm exhausted.  Will test theory later.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 29, 2017, 10:07:09 am
If the timing sensor wiring is reversed, or not twisted enough, you may experience the same symptoms as you're describing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 29, 2017, 05:58:47 pm
Is it a 2.8?  If so, how's the timing sensor rigged up?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 29, 2017, 06:27:01 pm
Well, it's a 3.4, now, but sshhhh.  I'm saving that for the reveal, so don't tell anybody.  LOL!

I don't know how it's hooked up.  It's in Texas.  I'm not.  I've been working through this with the guy doing the work.  I guess I'm the type of customer who gets charged extra for "helping".  Actually, as long as things were going well, I just asked for pics and updates, which was in the contract.  Now that completion is almost a month past schedule, and I've had to reschedule pickup twice, well, I'm ready to drive my Fiero.

This project was started almost 3 years ago with planning, getting info, gathering parts, etc.  Getting good info was a difficulty, partly because there is conflicting information, and it was difficult to get answers to direct questions.  I got a lot of "it should work, but YMMV", and "Well, the only way to know is to try it", and "Hmmm.  Let me know how that works", and the like.  Some of the info out there is completely wrong.  The hardest part was finding someone who could and would do the work.  A local guy pulled out on me, because I'm doing "the most boring swap known to man".  A guy in Chicago who owns a shop would never get back with me, and wouldn't give me prices on anything, just saying that he'd charge me whatever he paid.  For someone who's done this work many times, that's disturbing.  He couldn't source a transmission.  I'd tried oldjoedad, but we didn't really get anywhere.  I don't remember what happened, but I think that fell through because the local guy was supposed to do the work.  The guy in Texas has done the same work he's doing with mine on several Fieros.  I drove one of them.  Mine is the second '88, though.  So far, this guy has been correct about the things that needed to be done.  Really, my only complaint is his time management.  We're going on 7 months for something he expected to get done in 3 weeks.  But, it sat untouched for 4 months.  Not that he did nothing.  He got the transmission and some parts I hadn't picked up, like an AC compressor.  Then his baby was born.  Next comes Round-Up.  Things would be so much easier if I were nearby, but I'm not.  Now, I'm hoping I have it back before Fierorama.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 29, 2017, 11:54:31 pm
One more thing, the vss signal might be a 24000 ppm signal and the ecm may be expecting a 4000k signal. Over 4 so mph, the ecm thinks you're hitting 255mph and cuts fuel and spark. To test, unplug the vss and drive. If normal, the problem is the program, if not, then another problem.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 30, 2017, 06:56:39 am
LOL!  They don't want you going 255MPH?

Let me make sure I have this.  First of all, it  can run normally with the VSS unplugged?  If it does run normally unplugged the problem is the signal, or the program?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 30, 2017, 09:36:27 am
Assuming you've swapped the transmission too, then the vss will probably be different. More than likely, it will send a 24000ppm signal. If Ryan programmed the ecm for a normal fiero trans, then he set the signal for only 4000ppm.  He could have set the mph limiter at whatever value, but usually programmers set it at maximum value of 255mph.  Another symptom would be your Speedo jumping all over the place, spazzing out (80's terminology, out of respect for the fiero). 

To answer your question:
Yes, the ecm and car will run without the vss plugged in. The ecm will throw a code (because no speed input) and should default to programmed shift points and fueling from other inputs, such as map (load) and cts (engine temp), along with rpm for calc'n.
If runs smoothly unplugged, the problem is the program.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 30, 2017, 09:40:35 am
Ok.  So the ECM would need to be programmed for a 24000ppm signal?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on April 30, 2017, 10:28:38 am
Yes, assuming that's what the vss is putting out.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 30, 2017, 07:08:20 pm
Well, hopefully, the problem has been found.  When doing a fuel pressure test, the fuel pressure fell from 42 PSI to 18 PSI almost immediately.  The injectors are leaking.  The plugs were all wet.  These were new injectors.  Another set of new injectors has been ordered.  Another wait.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 01, 2017, 09:05:30 pm
Before you look at these pics, the old one had sat for a months outside (not happy about that), but it is what it is.  It was a lot cleaner when I dropped it off.  Anyway, no excuses.  The newer one isn't completely assembled to the point that the old one was, but I was doing a comparison, myself, and thought I'd share.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 07, 2017, 08:33:40 pm
It's been a while.

The original new injectors were bad.  New injectors arrived and were installed...and the battery is dead.  I have a portable jumpstarter, but it's here, and the car is not.  More waiting.  Sigh....

My battery is only about a year old, but when it's just left to sit, I guess it dies.  Not sure how it died in 1 week, though.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 09, 2017, 07:01:04 pm
Running again, but the gears are all off.  It drives great--in reverse only.  Need to check if still running rich.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 11, 2017, 05:34:33 pm
The fuel gauge reads zero.  Nada.  Zip.

Like it isn't connected.  If the fuel sending unit is bad, that'll be another bad new part.  I hope it's just wiring.

There's 8 gallons in the tank.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 15, 2017, 07:53:14 pm
My transmission has to come back out.  Something isn't right, apparently.  So, the cradle will drop, and down will fall...the transmission.

Anyway, this had better not cause more delay.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 18, 2017, 05:58:41 pm
I'm curious.  What would happen, if you used an ECU that was expecting 24000ppm from the VSS, but the VSS only put out a 4000ppm signal?

Originally, the ECU was going to use the VSS that came with the 440T4 transmission, but is now using the VSS that came stock with my TH125.  What VSS came with the 440T4?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2017, 06:21:57 pm
Small problem with the TV cable.  Another wait for the part.

Patentease?  What?  I'm not familiar with this word.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on May 22, 2017, 10:42:14 pm
I'm curious.  What would happen, if you used an ECU that was expecting 24000ppm from the VSS, but the VSS only put out a 4000ppm signal?

Originally, the ECU was going to use the VSS that came with the 440T4 transmission, but is now using the VSS that came stock with my TH125.  What VSS came with the 440T4?


Is it a 7730? I *think* the 7730 can be programmed for whatever ppm is required.
One problem is the wave shape that is output by the VSS. One of them outputs a square wave signal. The other outputs a sine wave signal. There is a cheap filter network that I have seen in several places, that converts (I think) the square wave to sine wave.
The 440T4 probably has the later VSS, since it's a newer trans, although it's still kind of "borderline".
I'm wondering why they changed it back to the 125 type VSS. Of course, if you still have the original ECM (7170?) that would explain it.
But still... the pickup methods are different. (Reluctor wheel vs pinion gear on the output shaft.) Seems like a real PITA to change.   

This may be a little bit of information overload, but it mentions the different VSS types and programming.
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20120111-2-091336.html
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2017, 10:53:44 pm
Ah.  So the 24000 is digital, and the 4000 is analog.  As it turns out, mine is using the 4000ppm VSS, with the 7730 ECU, and the 7730 ECU is programmed for a 4000ppm VSS, supposedly.

I was first told that the engine is purring.  The VSS was changed to the one from my THM125C.  It drove about 2 blocks, round trip, but had no power, then I was told that it was terrible above 1500 RPM and had no power.  After the injectors were replaced again, and the spark plug wires were replaced again, I was told that the engine was purring again, but wouldn't go forward.  Now that the TV has issues, I'm told that the engine is running terribly.  Of course, the engine hasn't run since is was pulled to remove the transmission to find that the TV cable was bad.

I'm tempted to fly down there, and see what's going on myself.  Of course, I'd have to fly back, because it can't possibly be ready.

That reminds me.  I can't understand why the calipers can't be replaced while the cradle is out.  I've never tried, but it would seem to be much easier that while the cradle was in the car.  Less stuff in the way, and all that.  Maybe the cradle moves when you put some torque on the bolts.  I can understand the difficulty in replacing the brake booster while the back of the car is raised.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 29, 2017, 05:26:16 pm
I'm ignorant of a lot of stuff, and in many cases, happily so.  I have no wish to have personal experience of volcanos, space vacuum, asphyxiation, etc.  I'm fine with the existence of high pressures at extreme ocean depths, and high gravity on Jupiter, but again, no desire to personally experience them.

I've lately decided that I wish to remain blissfully ignorant of the inner workings of automatic transmissions.  Apparently, issues with the TV cable can destroy the valve body.  I bet you wish you didn't know now, too.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 10, 2017, 08:30:41 am
The rebuilt transmission is back.  Should be back in the car on Monday.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 13, 2017, 07:16:03 pm
Transmission is back in, and--you ready for this?  It's bad.  First and reverse only.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on June 13, 2017, 10:07:36 pm
It's easy enough to test a manual transmission out of the car. Just put it into each gear using the shift and select levers, turn the input shaft, and watch the output. Easier if you have some axle stubs to plug into it.
You know there's trouble if you can't even get it into one of the gears easily.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 13, 2017, 10:14:09 pm
I was beginning to think no one was following this thread.

This is an auto.  Runs up to 5000RPM, no shift.  Dunno what's wrong.  Sourced another transmission.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on June 13, 2017, 10:30:03 pm
Not sure if this applies, but I used to have a 1990 Toyota Celica, with auto trans, that wouldn't shift into high gear until the engine warmed up. And the thermostat was stuck open so it never warmed up enough. Maybe that's why I got it cheap. Worked fine after I fixed it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 13, 2017, 10:35:50 pm
Well, the engine does get up to temp, but there could be a variety of similar issues.  It could be that the transmission fluid isn't flowing properly through the tubes.  Anything causing the wrong amount of pressure.  I don't know, but I'm done with this transmission.  Moving on to a newer one.

The transmission has been out and in twice.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 17, 2017, 02:55:30 pm
Two weeks' wait for the ”new” transmission.

I feel badly about destroying the old one.  I'm sure Jasper could fix it, but I'm so done with it.  I'm afraid it'll have to be someone else's problem.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 07, 2017, 06:58:11 pm
The replacement transmission is being polished, cleaned, and painted.  It'll get a rebuild, as well.  It should be ready for install next week.

The brakes are being a pain.  New booster, lines, hoses, and loaded calipers.  Numerous bleeds.  New check valve.  Good vacuum.  Hopefully, the next bleed will be do the job.

Still lots of work left to do.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on July 12, 2017, 03:09:25 pm
Beautiful car. Your issues reinforce my appreciation of a carb and a manual trans.

A couple things it would have been nice to keep are the parking brake ( I have P6000 front brakes/uprights/bearings on the rear) and the AC (which I may have to make room for. I don't care to run a belt on the harmonic damper.).

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 12, 2017, 06:15:26 pm
Thanks.  I hope everything is sorted soon.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 14, 2017, 06:02:10 pm
Well, the coolant intake tube on the new transmission has a hairline crack.  I'll have to wait for a new tube.

On a related note, how hard is it supposed to be to change the transmission cooler lines?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 22, 2017, 03:13:15 pm
Progress is slow.  I'm getting grey hair.

In the meantime, I found that danged elusive Pimpernel set of door weatherstrips.

I've been refining my toolkit a bit.  Many of the combo tools are too small, or light duty only.  Some tools are metric when I need SAE or vise versa.

I'm trying to find new tires of the right sizes.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 24, 2017, 10:33:52 pm
Dunno about anyone else, but the TFS fuel sending unit was hitting the baffles in my tank. I'd have been better off keeping the old one in.

Let's see.  The new VSS, TCC, injectors, plug wires, IAC, TPS, alternator, fuel sending unit, oil sending unit, 3 relays, thermostat housing cap, oil filler cap, intake gaskets, MAP sensor, coolant reservoir, fuel filler hose, water pump, CTS, and FPR have all been bad, among other items.

Oh, well.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 27, 2017, 04:07:57 pm
Well, the new transmission is IN...and the torque converter is hitting the casing.  How the heck is that possible?

Gotta replace the torque converter, then see what's up.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on July 27, 2017, 05:54:28 pm
Generally, it isn't unusual for a converter to contact the inside of the bell when it isn't bolted up to the flywheel/flex plate.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 27, 2017, 06:02:51 pm
Sounds reasonable.  It was bolted up, but the transmission was replaced.  Sounds like it wasn't reassembled correctly.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on July 27, 2017, 06:22:16 pm
Who is doing this work? This is the 440t4?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 27, 2017, 06:28:08 pm
A guy in Texas is doing the work.  It had an '87 440T4 in it, but that transmission had issues.  The transmission was ”rebuilt” twice, but it developed other issues, so it was replaced with a '92 4T60, which just went in yesterday.  These transmissions should be almost interchangeable, as I understand.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on July 27, 2017, 06:32:04 pm
You might want to bring it home for work local to you and call it even before any more $$$. At least locally other eyes can look at these issues for a second, third. fourth, opinion.

I also never had a line "hairline crack".

Just a suggestion.

Also, there is no difference between a 440t4 and a 4t60. The later is part of the newer naming convention for the old transmission; 4= four speed, T= transverse installation, 60=the relative torque carrying capacity.

There are internal differences and running changes through the years of production and there are different torque converters but the difference is in the stall speed/K factor, and not how they fit.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 27, 2017, 07:22:35 pm
I was unable to find anyone locally who both could and would do this work.  Yes, the distance is a concern, among other things.

No extra $$$, but it sure takes longer.

I'm aware of the change in naming convention.  Thus guy originally put the 4T60 transmission in another Fiero, which I drove.  That Fiero was wrecked this past winter.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 28, 2017, 05:28:54 pm
Well, the torque converter is the wrong size, supposedly.  It was replaced with the transmission rebuild by the rebuilder.  A vote of no confidence in the rebuilder.  Wouldn't you notice if the torque converter is the wrong size, when you mated the transmission to the engine?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 30, 2017, 01:09:27 pm
It runs!  It runs, it runs, it runs, it RUNS!

My Fiero drives and shifts nicely.  The kickdown needs to be adjusted, but that should be relatively easy.

2 new problems: the seal on the fuel tank leaks, and the oil pressure is pegged.  A third issue is that the tires dry rotted over the winter to the point of being unsafe.

So....once the oil pressure and fuel leak issues are fixed, and the kickdown is adjusted, the AC can be charged, and exhaust can be fixed, and the alignment done.

The question is, where can I get good NEW tires for an '88?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on July 30, 2017, 02:44:24 pm
Check out Tire Rack.  You can have them drop-shipped to an authorized installer near your mechanic and you know what the installation and balancing costs are beforehand.  Use their Shop By Size feature. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 30, 2017, 02:48:24 pm
I found BF Goodrich tires there that will fit, but pricey.  $1,280, just for the tires.

Prefer Michelin or Goodyear.  $633, installed, with road hazard, installation, lifetime rotation at NTB.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on July 30, 2017, 03:14:44 pm
I don't know what size you have, but I have been running Kumho and Hankook on my 87 and Sport Track, respectively.  215/60/15 and 225/60/15's on the 87, but I don't think Kumho offers that size any longer.  At least not through Tire Rack. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 30, 2017, 03:16:09 pm
Mine are stock size.  205/60x15 in the front and 215/60x15 in the rear.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 30, 2017, 06:03:44 pm
Hmmm.  Having trouble locating matching rear tires.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 31, 2017, 08:15:33 am
Just wondering, but if you made the wiring change at the oil pressure sending unit, but not in the dash, wouldn't voltage be applied, causing the gauge to max out?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on July 31, 2017, 08:56:28 am
When changing out the oil pressure sending unit there's no need to make any changes in the dash.  If the sending unit has been changed and the wiring was spliced to the new terminal incorrectly, it may cause a problem, but more likely it would be a drain on the battery.  In my experience, a pegged gauge is the result of a bad sending unit or a bad ground.  If I recall, when you unplug the oil pressure sending unit, the gauge will peg with the ignition on. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on July 31, 2017, 05:55:35 pm
https://www.walmart.com/ip/BFGoodrich-Advantage-T-A-Tire-215-60R15-94H/12177720#about-item

https://www.walmart.com/ip/BFGOODRICH-ADVANTAGE-T-A-Passenger-Car-Tire-205-60-15-91H/12177703

Mounting is free if you want them to mount them. Anybody can balance them.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 31, 2017, 06:06:54 pm
When changing out the oil pressure sending unit there's no need to make any changes in the dash.  If the sending unit has been changed and the wiring was spliced to the new terminal incorrectly, it may cause a problem, but more likely it would be a drain on the battery.  In my experience, a pegged gauge is the result of a bad sending unit or a bad ground.  If I recall, when you unplug the oil pressure sending unit, the gauge will peg with the ignition on.

I was thinking of the wiring on the temp sensor.  My bad.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 31, 2017, 06:09:37 pm
Very odd.  I can get the Michelin Defenders here, but not in San Antonio.  I can get the BF Goodrich here, but not in San Antonio.

They have Bridgestone Copias.

Many years ago, I was a tire tech.  I HATE mounting, but I can still do an electronic balance as well as anyone else.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on July 31, 2017, 06:23:45 pm
I have a re-engineered harbor freight changer with extra spoons and rin protectors along with a spin balancer. It is so nice to not have to wait on somebody else.

I usually buy from Pep Boys or Walmart, sometimes tire rack but they wanted to argue about the vehicle as to what it was going on. I told them it was a kit car and they had nothing to say. I have not been back.

I worked at pep boys in high school selling tires and behind the counter. Folks would come in for advice, see me as a kid on one end of the counter and the retired railroad guy on the other end. They'd go out of their way to ask him, and then he'd come ask me. ;)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 31, 2017, 06:47:29 pm
You're more knowledgeable than I am.  I don't like waiting, either.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 01, 2017, 10:02:46 pm
Well, this experience has Fiero written all over it.  I've learned more about transmissions than I never wanted to know.

Who knew?  3-speed torque converters and 4-speed torque converters are not compatible.  The torque converters from the 4T60, and 4T<everything else> are not compatible.

I've learned about the bands for the gears, and gear packs.  I've learned about transmission clutches, valve body, and coolant lines.  I've learned about how the TV cable works.  I've learned about hydraulics in the transmission.

I've learned that some places in the US are geographically located such that shipping from anywhere takes 2 weeks.

And I've learned that the majority of transmission shops know less about transmissions than I do.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on August 02, 2017, 12:16:58 pm
For those interested in transmission rebuilding, this guy is a great resource on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/user/hiramgutierrez

I always pickup a copy of the atsg service book(s) for whatever automatic trans I'm working on.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 04, 2017, 05:32:21 pm
My Fiero is at the exhaust shop.  It should be buttoned up shortly.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 09, 2017, 06:06:40 pm
Add one more thing to the faulty list.  The coil packs were bad.

The exhaust will have to be re-done.  The pipe from the cat to the muffler hangs too low.  Call me picky, but the underside of a GM should be flat.  There shouldn't be pipes and things sticking put all over the place underneath, just because someone is too lazy/cheap to make the proper bends in the pipe.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 10, 2017, 06:10:47 pm
Ick!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 10, 2017, 06:14:43 pm
Bad compressor or failed to flush the system?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 10, 2017, 06:19:02 pm
Dunno.  Last Summer, my Fiero started smoking.  I turned off the AC, and the smoking stopped, so I drove it without AC.  The plan was to replace the compressor anyway, so I just added this to the list.

Today is charge the AC day.  The system should be flushed, and it gets a new compressor and dryer.

Cleaned the resistor and heater box.  Replaced the heater core.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 10, 2017, 07:28:31 pm
We're getting close.  It still needs powder-coating, the rest of the break-in, checking the cruise, some logging, checking the brakes, finish the AC, tires, an alignment, and fix the exhaust.  Then we can see what we have.

The programming is good, so far.

Then it'll need a serious detailing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on August 10, 2017, 08:05:39 pm
Cool! It sounds like it's been a long, hard fought battle.
I wish you luck, going forward.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 10, 2017, 08:09:17 pm
Thanks.

I'm seeing some light at the end of the tunnel.  It's helped to have you all to keep me somewhat positive through this.

Sadly, much of the work I'd done to clean up my Fiero will have to be redone.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 11, 2017, 06:25:22 pm
The AC compressor won't come on.  Manually or via the HVAC control.

Meanwhile, the radiator fan caught fire.  New one by me.

In positive news, the local brewery is coming out with a Fiero beer.

I guess I could look at this in one of 2 ways:
1. Good things come to those who wait
2. Hell, it can only get better
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 11, 2017, 09:28:28 pm
Since the dryer was replaced, check to be sure the cycle switch is plugged up.  Also, since you converted to 134a, install a cycle switch for a 134a system and be sure the orifice tube is for 134a.  The 134a switch has the correct pressure on and off settings.  The old R12 switch is incorrect.

If the compressor won't run, how did they charge it?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 11, 2017, 09:32:42 pm
Since the dryer was replaced, check to be sure the cycle switch is plugged up.  Also, since you converted to 134a, install a cycle switch for a 134a system and be sure the orifice tube is for 134a.  The 134a switch has the correct pressure on and off settings.  The old R12 switch is incorrect.

If the compressor won't run, how did they charge it?

The system was already on 134a, supposedly.  No conversion sticker, though.

The compressor doesn't even engage.  It acts as if it's unplugged.  I don't know how it was charged, but that's good info about the cycle switch & orifice tube.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 11, 2017, 09:41:50 pm
My rev limiter may kick in too soon.  The RPMs don't seem to be too high, but the rev limiter certainly works.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 16, 2017, 06:41:00 pm
The cycle switch is for 134a.  12V on one side, .25v on the other side=doesn't work.

Not looking good for having my Fiero back this month. :(
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on August 16, 2017, 07:01:47 pm
The cycle switch is for 134a.  12V on one side, .25v on the other side=doesn't work.

Not looking good for having my Fiero back this month. :(

With pressure present, the switch will close. If it doesn't see pressure, it won't cycle.
Sometimes, I have to unplug the switch and jumper the connector to get the compressor to run, in order to get it to take a charge.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 16, 2017, 07:09:27 pm
I know nothing about AC, as you'll see.  The compressor must be running to take a charge?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 16, 2017, 07:48:34 pm
I'm thinking the cycle switch is nothing but a pass-through switch, providing a ground upon closing, or having voltage on one side only and passing it to the clutch when it closes.  I also don't know much about A/C. 

Who's recharging the system?  It should have been vacuumed down, oil added to the system before recharging with refrigerant. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 16, 2017, 07:49:58 pm
The same guy doing most of the work is also doing the AC.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on August 16, 2017, 09:19:31 pm
The compressor must be running to take a charge?

It'll take some refrigerant without the compressor running, but if the compressor is running, it will draw the refrigerant in.
Note... The refrigerant circulates the oil. The compressor must not be allowed to run for an extended period without refrigerant in the system. It can turn the compressor into a doorstop in fairly short order, due to lack of lubrication. Don't ask how I know this.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 16, 2017, 11:16:21 pm
Well, until the compressor does SOMETHING, I guess the oil isn't that important, but I'm learning SO MUCH about these things.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on August 17, 2017, 10:25:29 am
Since you're supposed to put a vacuum on your AC system after you do any work on it, the vacuum will pull in the first can of refrigerant. And that should be enough to run it to add more.
BTW, if you're re-doing an AC system for R134a, you must replace the mineral oil in your compressor with ester oil of the correct viscosity. For a V5 compressor (found in later model 4-cylinder Fieros), that means ISO 100 viscosity ester oil, not the ISO 46 ester oil found in most parts stores.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on August 17, 2017, 12:22:05 pm
Since you're supposed to put a vacuum on your AC system after you do any work on it, the vacuum will pull in the first can of refrigerant. And that should be enough to run it to add more.
....

Very true. Thanks.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 17, 2017, 06:30:56 pm
It's a new compressor.

The AC is now working.  Apparently, it took 2 cans.  Blue gauge at 42, red at 275.  Held that pressure for a week, apparently.  No more coolant added.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 18, 2017, 06:05:18 pm
Well, the cruise doesn't work, and the alignment is off.  WAY off.  I've never heard of having to grind on the struts to fix alignment.  The '88 is very adjustable.  I would think think that ot could compensate fine--if the axles are the correct length.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 18, 2017, 07:03:13 pm
Suspension won't bolt up if the axles are the wrong length.  Grinding on the knuckles or struts can cause a failure.  The only area that I know of that's safe to grind on is the spring perch.  When going with oversize or wider tires or the wrong offset wheels, you can encounter interference on the spring perch.  Some of that can be ground off for clearance.  But that usually happens with the pre-88's.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 18, 2017, 07:09:45 pm
So, camber is way off.  Yes, I'm concerned about grinding on the struts.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 19, 2017, 10:01:11 am
On a previous Fiero, the camber was off, but there was a bit of looseness in the holes on the struts, so I moved everything to where it was visually straight, and tightened it.  That was on a pre-'88, though.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 19, 2017, 12:09:56 pm
This is probably why there was slop.  Someone may have installed regular bolts instead of the camber adjustment bolts.  These are also available from NAPA and maybe other parts stores. 

https://www.fierostore.com/Product/Detail.aspx?s=57517&d=335&p=2
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on August 19, 2017, 02:54:09 pm
If I remember correctly, there is a protruding "corner" on the 88 knuckle that gets in the way of some struts.
That corner can be ground without affecting the integrity of the part. It's really not that much material to remove.
As long as there are no deep grooves or anything else that will allow a crack to start or spread, there is no harm.
(Fieroguru sells a kit that changes the 88 rear geometry just a bit - for the better. Installation of the kit also requires a bit of grinding. I've done it on both of my cars. No worries.)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 19, 2017, 09:23:10 pm
Fieroguru's lateral relocation kit?  I think it requires larger wheels.

For those bolts, would they help my current situation?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 19, 2017, 09:23:43 pm
If I remember correctly, there is a protruding "corner" on the 88 knuckle that gets in the way of some struts.
That corner can be ground without affecting the integrity of the part. It's really not that much material to remove.
As long as there are no deep grooves or anything else that will allow a crack to start or spread, there is no harm.

That makes me feel better.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on August 19, 2017, 11:23:11 pm
Fieroguru's lateral relocation kit?  I think it requires larger wheels.

For those bolts, would they help my current situation?

Per Paul... his kit requires 17s. (Although some 16s will fit, he doesn't advertise it.)

It won't help your situation. I just mentioned it, because it also requires grinding on the knuckle (albeit in a different place) and causes no harm.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 20, 2017, 07:03:52 am
Well, the ”corner” has been removed from each knuckle.  Back to the alignment shop.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 24, 2017, 06:27:21 pm
Well, the new one looks much better, huh?

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 24, 2017, 06:28:27 pm
Here's my AC pressure.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 24, 2017, 06:55:43 pm
It may just be the angle, but the inlet and outlet pipes don't look to be the same.  But in any case, I bet you find that the length of the new core is at least a quarter inch shorter than your original.  Somewhere along the line, someone got some wrong information and all the manufacturers now make them short.  I've been around the block a couple of times on that issue. 

Spectre or Spectra customer service told me to fill the gap with aerosol expandable insulation foam. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 24, 2017, 07:15:25 pm
Yeah, I read about that issue.  I was hoping that mine didn't have that issue.

I agree about the inlet and outlet pipes.  The angle seems to be quite a bit different, but I think that'll work OK.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: fiero4.3L on August 25, 2017, 06:15:38 pm
The new core looks more efficient but not as repairable/easy to solder as the old one.

For the gap, I'd use a few layers of foam tape from home depot/lowes/etc to fill the gap with the new one or a cut a short piece from the black foam that is split length-wise for insulating water pipe.

Too late now, but you can also back flush a clogged core to help clear them out, use a couple feet of straight hose to connect to a garden hose. I've poured CLR and let it sit before flushing a good core. Have not done that with a fiero through.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 25, 2017, 06:19:02 pm
The old one had a leak, somewhere.  It seems to have fit just fine.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 25, 2017, 07:49:31 pm
The tank on the right end has a strap that fits around it to hold that end in place.  It has a screw on each end to fasten it down.  On the other end, there's a pair of spring metal fingers on the cover that you must remove for access, that hold that end in place.  When the whole unit is too short, the end where the inlet and outlet are doesn't fit under the spring metal fingers.  The seal against the warm and cold air chambers is compromised. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 25, 2017, 10:03:27 pm
What happens if the seal is compromised?  No heat?  No cold?  Mold?

The seam on the bottom of the new core seems to be longer.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 04, 2017, 09:31:57 pm
Well, the cruise will not work.  Tried 3 different modules.  Wiring checks good.  Signals check good at the module.  But, it doesn't matter, because there is no fuel at the gas stations.

Still need tires.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 10, 2017, 07:57:53 am
Still no cruise.  Running out of things to try.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 10, 2017, 08:45:54 am
There are two things to check.  There is a small circuit board in the turn signal stalk that could be bad, then there's the module on the left side of the tunnel, near accelerator pedal.  Be sure the column wire is plugged up. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 10, 2017, 08:52:46 am
It's a digital cruise.  I know about the module by the accelerator, but that is eliminated with the digital cruise, I believe.  The stalk has been replaced.  No change.  I thought the ECM would show something for the cruise, but apparently not.  Tried Oliver's method and Darth's method.  Looking at what f85gtron did, and Klingon Fiero.  Already checked the inhibitor wire.

It would seem that the issue could be one of the 2 brake wires.  One should be hot, except when braking, and the other only when braking, if I understand correctly.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 10, 2017, 08:00:59 pm
About to give up on the cruise, for now.  Trying a fourth module, this week.  Once there is gas at the stations, it'll be driven 300 miles for testing, and then I'll drive my Fiero home, whatever condition it's in.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 15, 2017, 07:22:03 pm
Apparently, there are 2 types of AR digital cruise modules: those that work in a Fiero, and those that don't.

The correct model AR would seem to be model 25161588A--not the AR module from the 3800s.  Some people report that the 96-99 Cadillac Northstar has a cruise module that will work.  My original AR came from a Celebrity. I'm going to switch to one from a 95-98 Lumina.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 15, 2017, 07:28:17 pm
It's been so long I don't remember...do Fieros have a cruise light?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 17, 2017, 04:13:02 pm
Not from the factory.  Some have installed a Cruise advisory light in that little unused rectangle at the upper right of the instrument panel. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 17, 2017, 04:17:51 pm
Wrong color, huh?



It's a good idea, though.  I'd like to do something similar with the coolant.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 17, 2017, 08:06:36 pm
I think I remember someone saying that one came from a Dodge truck.  Looks like what was in my truck.  My Ford has a green circle with a pointer at 11 o'clock.  Dont remember what the Grand Prix had bit I think it was the word.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 17, 2017, 08:23:46 pm
My Chevy has the green circle with an arrow at 11 o'clock, also.

Where does the low coolant indicator come from?

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 17, 2017, 08:26:36 pm
I don't know.  I'm sure my truck probably has it, but I've never experienced it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on September 17, 2017, 09:56:59 pm
My wife's Escape shows a little picture of a radiator if the coolant is low. I guess car makers figure people can't read. But what about those that don't know what a radiator is?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 17, 2017, 10:04:44 pm
Yeah, those images could be many different things.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 22, 2017, 06:23:46 pm
My Fiero is gassed up.  Decklid on.  Steering wheel bolts locktited.  Valves adjusted.

300 miles to go before I sleep...I mean, until it's ready to come home.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 09, 2017, 07:39:49 pm
Well, break-in is complete.  It gets a detail this week.

I'm scheduled to pick it up this weekend.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on October 13, 2017, 08:33:06 am
Are you on your way to Texas?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on October 13, 2017, 11:06:45 am

I'm scheduled to pick it up this weekend.

Good luck! I hope it all goes as planned.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 13, 2017, 03:39:36 pm
Are you on your way to Texas?

I leave tomorrow to get my car.  So, while you all are having your meeting and working on the Aerodon car and the Fastback Formula, I'll be on my way.

He is meeting me in OK.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 13, 2017, 03:40:28 pm
Good luck! I hope it all goes as planned.

It's a story of mice and men.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 13, 2017, 06:54:55 pm
Holy cow!  How much does a detail cost?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on October 13, 2017, 07:00:37 pm
Depends upon the detail.  I got an interior and exterior without underhood for $85 on my old Dakota truck.  My daughter did detailing during her jr. and sr. high school years and way back in the early 90's, they could go as high as $150 for a dealership quality detail. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 13, 2017, 07:05:12 pm
Think more...LOTS more $$$.  Basically a car wash.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on October 14, 2017, 08:13:53 pm
I've seen some places charge $250.00 for a full on detail. I haven't seen any of their results though.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 14, 2017, 09:18:05 pm
I've seen some places charge $250.00 for a full on detail. I haven't seen any of their results though.

MORE.  I told him he should get a full refund.

They washed the outside of the car, sortof.  They were supposed to detail the front and rear compartments, but did not.  They put the decklid vents in wrong (tabs up), and lost a wing nut.  The windshield, sunroof, rear window, rearview mirror, and dash weren't touched, nor was the underside of the spoiler.  They broke the knob on my radio, as well as one corner on my shift surround.  They threw out the data cable, and lost my bag of tools that was in the TFS glove box.  They got white wax on my black front plate holder, the RF side marker, and the black insides of the quarters.  They destroyed the rear emblem.  They somehow removed the logos from my center caps.  They cleaned the steering wheel, but the wheel is destroyed.  The sun probably didn't help.

They didn't clean inside the fuel door, or the underside of the decklid, or the part between the trunk and the tail lights.  The decklid vents were wiped, but all the stuff they sprayed into them just mixed with dirt and ran down the shock towers.

The front compartment looks like mud was dumped into it.  All up in the cowl that I worked so hard on.  They wire brushed the wiper arms, removing much of the paint.

The rear bumper has that groove, but that wasn't cleaned.

They armour-all'd the wheels, but I can tell which side was down.  There is a spot on each wheel that was clearly toward the ground.  There are also gravity fluid runs.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 14, 2017, 10:47:02 pm
Look what I found!



Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 15, 2017, 12:12:24 am
Here goes.  There are some issues:
1. There is a screeching/scraping sound from the rear, possibly the dust shields.  Sometimes, hitting the brake stops this sound; sometimes, shaking the steering wheel from side to side stops the sound, or makes the sound change sides.
2. The RKE sometimes works, often not.
3. The gauges are erratic.  Oil pressure can read fine, then suddenly the needle points to the bottom right of the gauge.  The speedo is just erratic, unless at highway speed.  The tach jumps around.  The temp reads very hot, right below the red, but the computer reads cooler.  The fan does run.  Sometimes, the temp needle moves rather quickly.  The volts gauge reads 12, but no higher.
4. The idle is WAY too high.
5.  The transmission is frequently in the wrong gear.  It may be in third, when it should be in second.  When you step on the gas, it UPSHIFTS, and falls on its face.
6.  Acceleration is acceptable in first.  In second, it doesn't have that burst of power it used to have.  Highway is OK.  It seems that, under acceleration from a stop, it shifts from first almost instantly to third.
7.  The AC doesn't seem to get cold quickly.  I mean, it eventually got too cold for me in the cabin, but after running on max AC for an hour.  The air coming from the vents is cool, but not cold.
8. The shifter slides back and forth between drive and neutral, without feeling firmly in gear.  I cannot shift to first.

It isn't all bad.  The tires, alignment, brakes, and coolant lines are good.

If you haven't tightened the bolts on your steering column, DO IT.  My column felt tight.  I figured to locktite the bolts, anyway.  They were loose.  If mine were loose, I suspect everyone's are loose.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on October 15, 2017, 11:39:18 am

The transmission is frequently in the wrong gear.  It may be in third, when it should be in second.  When you step on the gas, it UPSHIFTS, and falls on its face.


Sounds like the TPS is wired incorrectly. I had the same thing with my 4.9 when I installed the Allante intake.
Should read ~ .5 volts w/ closed throttle. Should read ~5 volts at WOT. You can see it with a scan tool, with the engine off. (May be displayed as "% of throttle open", or similar.)
This is assuming you have a 4T60E. If it's not the "E" version, then the TV cable is likely mis-adjusted.
On the "E" version, the TPS voltage has *everything * to do with shift timing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 15, 2017, 12:39:15 pm
Mine isn't the E version.

Any thoughts on adjusting the idle screw on a 3.4?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on October 15, 2017, 12:59:09 pm
The idle screw is a fall-back in case the idle air control isn't working. With the idle air control completely closed, it would be adjusted to 600 RPM. Adjustment is normally not needed.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 15, 2017, 02:52:39 pm
Leaving that alone, for now.  Dealing with other issues, like won't run.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 27, 2017, 04:49:28 pm
I didn't make a big deal of it when I posted the pics of my Fiero, last year, but it apparently slipped under the radar.  My Fiero is badged as a GTR-S.  This includes the rear emblem, the center caps, the steering wheel emblem, and the front emblem.  I have floor mats that match.  The door sill inserts were lost.  I have the plates for the glove box and the HVAC surround, as well as some other items.  Mine is the only GTR-S Gold Edition Fiero, I believe.

The rear emblem was ruined, as were the center caps.  I know where to get the center caps, but I have no idea about the rear emblem.  I doubt it's repairable.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 04, 2017, 03:32:04 pm
I've waited a while for this.  I'm finally replacing my mirror control.  I was a bit disappointed to find that one of the screws is missing for the left power window switch.  That screw was there when I replaced the switches.  Hmmm.  I replaced the power mirror control anyway.

Here is a comparison of the old and new power mirror controls:

Obviously, the new TFS control is on the left.

And installed:


When dealing with these switches/controls, be very careful with the ears on the plugs.  The plugs for the power window switches should be disconnected when dealing with the power mirror control.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 04, 2017, 03:35:11 pm
While I was in there, I discovered that the "fix" I'd done for the gear indicator was gone.  My "fix" was to stick the red from a lock from another vehicle on the gear indicator.  That "fix" had fallen off a while back.  My car now had a piece of orange-colored paper cellophane-taped to the gear indicator.  I removed that, but need to put a permanent fix in place.

Here is the gear indicator as it sits:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 04, 2017, 06:15:27 pm
Well, don't laugh.  I cleaned it up a bit after this pic, but I hope this stands the test of time.



Yep, it's red, not orange.  I've never previously tried using this particular method of coloring anything.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 04, 2017, 06:36:06 pm
Mission accomplished!



I think it looks good.  If it fades, I can always change it, but that should be many years from now.  I'm used to that actual red needle that indicated the gear, so this looks good to me, but maybe not so much to the orange fanatics.

I had worked out an LED indicator for a previous Fiero, basically with an LED for each gear.  It worked, but was better at night, because the LEDs weren't bright enough for the day, and it was basically just dark with key off.  The guy to whom I sold that Fiero liked it when he bought it, but I heard he has since changed it back to stock.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 15, 2017, 08:02:50 pm
Pic at a stone quarry:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 16, 2017, 04:55:58 pm
Drove my Fiero about 20 miles today.  I think the rev limiter kicks in at odd times.  It limited me to about 3K in second, but sometimes revs higher, like 4.5K.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 17, 2017, 09:24:26 am
Glad to see you have it back on the road.  Who did the rework on it?  I know it didn't go back to Texas, based on other threads and pictures.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 17, 2017, 09:30:49 am
I had someone here get it so it can make the trip back to Texas.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 17, 2017, 11:59:01 am
To hide a rusty hole, I got a bolt:


Installed:


This bolt is 3/8", and was 1.5" long.  When testing for depth, it seemed to be about .5", so I decided to cut the bolt.  I put the bolt in my vise, and started cutting with a hacksaw.  I seemed to be making progress, with metal bits coming out.  Unfortunately, that was largely the teeth of the hacksaw blade.  Oops.  So, I got the carbide blade.  That blade expired about half way through the bolt.  My arm was rather expired by then, also.  Lacking a diamond blade, I decided to try my angle grinder (I don't have a bench grinder).  Grinder persuasion worked.  I polished off the burs, and the bolt went in, no problem.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 17, 2017, 12:03:29 pm
I removed the brass coolant fitting from the throttle body, and installed bolts into the holes on each side.  Unfortunately, these aren't brass bolts, but they are coated.  We'll see how they hold up.

I'm referring to the bolt on the left.


The bolts are both 7/16" 20 x 1"
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 17, 2017, 04:13:53 pm
I found my trunk cover:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on November 17, 2017, 06:52:13 pm
I think the coolant pipes are NPT. I can send you 2 brass plugs. Let me know if you'd like recessed hex head or square (non-recessed) head.
The bolt to fill the 'rusty bolt hole' should hold the mounting bracket for the spark plug wire loom. Sorry, I don't have one of those.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 17, 2017, 07:00:24 pm
Um, NPT?  I looked it up, so I'd feel less the fool.  Google helpfully returned results for Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty.

I do remember there being a bracket there for the plug wires.  Hmmm.  I'll have to ask him for that.

PM sent.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on November 17, 2017, 07:55:23 pm
Oops, sorry. National Pipe Thread. It's some silly style plumbers came up with. Why, I don't know. The threads themselves don't make a good seal. That's why you have to use teflon tape on them. Probably developed by the guy that invented teflon tape. Don't even mention 'pipe-dope'! Run away!!! And yea, I used lower case on teflon...on purpose. I used to work for those people.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 17, 2017, 08:07:55 pm
I have plumber's tape.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on November 18, 2017, 07:47:11 am
Rectoseal works really good. It's some of the best dope you can get legally (in Georgia).
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 18, 2017, 08:37:10 am
I'm just putting plugs in for cosmetic reasons.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 18, 2017, 09:24:03 am
National Pipe Thread is a tapered thread.  If you lay a threaded pipe nipple on a flat surface and view it from the level of the surface it's on, you can see that the tip of the pipe nipple threads won't be in contact with the surface, but they get closer to the surface as the threads get nearer the body of the pipe.  NPT threads were invented long before teflon.  teflon (lower case letters in honor of Roger) was invented because of NPT. 

Actually, NPT works very well if you torque it properly.  It's a cone-shaped thread that is very difficult to strip because it becomes an interference fit.  That's what's used on most of the pressure lines on a vehicle, most notably, the oil pressure sender. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 19, 2017, 06:54:54 pm
A pic of my Fiero taken today:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 20, 2017, 07:08:22 pm
I secured a few cables, and corrected the routing in the process.  Oh, and installed the thermostat cap cover.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 02, 2017, 12:50:29 pm
This showed up at my door today.

Here're a few pics.


And the contents.


As you can see, this was packaged well.  The engraving is quality.  The top is a little odd, and I'll have to see how the gold coating holds up.  The pictures make the actual gold color look more silver than the bottle is.  The bottle looks better in the top pic.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on December 02, 2017, 02:30:26 pm
The car is looking very nice! Did the bottle come with a message inside?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: f85gtron on December 02, 2017, 04:17:26 pm
The car is looking very nice! Did the bottle come with a message inside?
... or maybe a young Barbara Eden?!  Rub it and see what's inside.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on December 02, 2017, 07:23:14 pm
The car is looking very nice! Did the bottle come with a message inside?
... or maybe a young Barbara Eden?!  Rub it and see what's inside.
Even at 86, Barbara Eden is still a beautiful woman.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 02, 2017, 08:23:54 pm
Well, if it came with another woman, my wife would have insisted I get rid of the bottle/woman.  The bottle was empty.  I still need to run some other tests on the bottle.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 10, 2017, 05:55:58 pm
Well, I've been documenting the work on my Fiero.  Very tiring.  62 pages, so far.  I'm about half finished with the worklog.  I'm including pictures of the entire process.  I'm hoping to cut down on the length a bit by formatting the text around the pictures.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 26, 2017, 04:57:08 pm
I'm trying to put together what I believe to be called the ”window sticker” for my Fiero.  It lists standard equipment, options, descriptions, prices, MPG, etc.

Pontiac Historical Services says they can reprint for up to '86.  Doesn't do much for me, but I've read mixed results about them, anyway.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 26, 2017, 05:50:02 pm
I just realized that my Fiero made a small appearance on Fiero Fiberglass (http://fierofiberglass.com/Product%20Pages/SideScoops.html).  Not a very good pic.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 28, 2017, 11:36:57 pm
PHS forwarded me to another place, but all they had was the invoice, which I already have.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 11, 2018, 12:43:31 am
I'm used to being able to feel how fast I'm going in a vehicle.  Since the work has been done on my Fiero, I've had a difficulty determining the speed.  I hope that, when the engine smooths out, I will be able to feel the speed again.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 23, 2018, 01:18:58 am
After a few adjustments, my Fiero runs great!  I plan to take it for a shakedown cruise tomorrow (the day doesn't change until I get some sleep), but I have high hopes.  There is no surge on startup, and it idles smoothly at 900RPM.  For the most part, it shifts smoothly through the gears, and seems to be in the correct gear.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 23, 2018, 11:57:03 am
I went for the skakedown cruise this am.



Some nice views.  I was on the curvy roads before dark, then got to some straightaways.  After dawn, I opened the throttle a bit.  I kept the headlight doors on, but it was a concern.  No issues with the engine.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 23, 2018, 12:00:30 pm
After a bath, my Fiero looked nice and clean, from this angle.  The other side has a greasy hand print in the middle of the rocker panel.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on January 23, 2018, 12:05:01 pm
Nice looking car, but probably hard to keep clean.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 23, 2018, 02:57:01 pm
Thanks.  Actually, I find black is harder to keep clean.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 23, 2018, 03:55:14 pm
Yeah, when I had my white Dodge truck, it seemed it hardly ever needed washing and it was often mistaken for a new truck, even after 17 years and 225,000 miles. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on January 23, 2018, 04:06:14 pm
After a bath, my Fiero looked nice and clean, from this angle.  The other side has a greasy hand print in the middle of the rocker panel.



Very nice lookin'!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 23, 2018, 04:56:34 pm
I'm going to take it for a spin again tonight.  Last run was to check the engine.  This run is to check the transmission.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 26, 2018, 05:59:30 pm
Here are a few pics of my Fiero:


When the track is closed, they let you go all over.  At least, they didn't try to stop me.


This pic was difficult.  Aside from pedestrians, this place is busy.  Lots of car traffic.  I had a better pic that was more centered, but the camera lost it.  Here, my Fiero was parked in the street.  I had to come by a second time to get this pic, and really hurry to do this despite traffic.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 26, 2018, 06:04:06 pm
After we unloaded the Fiero, my wife insisted on driving the Fiero, as opposed to the truck pulling the trailer.  Apparently, she had fun.  I did eventually get the keys to the Fiero returned to me.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Roger on January 26, 2018, 06:22:42 pm
Your wife and that Fiero were made for each other. ;D
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 26, 2018, 06:42:24 pm
As long as she doesn't have to back up.  Actually, no.  This one's mine.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on January 26, 2018, 08:04:36 pm
Lookin' good!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 27, 2018, 11:18:36 am
It looks as if I need to replace some components in the front of my Fiero.  Anyone know where to get the right upper control arm?  I intend to replace all 4 control arms, including bushings and ball joints.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on January 27, 2018, 11:32:52 am
Is it rusted, or damaged?
Although I've replaced bushings and lower ball joints, I've never had to replace a Fiero control arm or upper ball joint.

Probably the best place to find one would be on Pennocks. I don't think we have any in the parts barn.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 27, 2018, 11:36:49 am
Mine could be fixed.  The boot on the ball joint is damaged.  If powdercoated control arms with bushings and ball joints are $170, that is a better deal than cleaning mine up, powdercoating, replacing the bushings, and replacing the ball joint.  I could replace the control arms quickly.  If I have to do the other things, not so much.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 27, 2018, 12:15:53 pm
ThaDriver has everything you need for an 88, except all that stuff that goes in the engine bay.  He could sure use the money to help him recover the cost of purchasing the Warrior Project car.  It's a southern car, so there's no rust. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 27, 2018, 12:37:16 pm
Hmmm. I don't recall if the bushings and ball joints were new or not.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 30, 2018, 07:56:45 pm
Well, my LED floor courtesy lights weren't returned to me, so I ordered another pair from BTR.  The lights arrived today.


At first glance, I was very pleased with the new bulb.


The lens gives the bulb a finished look.


The new bulb is a bit shorter than the old bulb.


The old bulb was jagged on the arm, but at least didn't burn like the stock bulb.


It doesn't appear so here, but the light from the old bulb was bluish and a bit glaring.


The light from the new bulb is softer and less bluish.


Unfortunately, there is this green light from the "white" LED.  I took this one without the flash, to show how bad the green really is.


Also here.

I hardly find this acceptable.  I guess this is the lens causing this.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTXVette on January 31, 2018, 08:15:12 am
  I thought it looked Green in the Second Photo? And thought that you bought a Colored one.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 31, 2018, 06:14:01 pm
Hmmm.  They were supposed to call me back, hours sgo.  They said it's a defective bulb, when I spoke with them earlier.  Defective seems unlikely, as both bulbs exhibit the same problem.  I sent them pictures to illustrate, and requested that they test their bulb.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 01, 2018, 06:53:07 pm
Rodney must be getting tired of me.  I think I placed 3 separate orders from him, last month.  The orders all arrived, but I broke the exhaust bolts I got from him.  When I went to re-order, no more exhaust bolts.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 17, 2018, 09:58:32 am
I was ready to work on my Fiero.  I have the parts, the tools, and a block of time, but got dumped on, instead.  Old Man Winter dumped a load of snow on us.  More snow means more salt, so the Fiero is again neglected.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on February 17, 2018, 06:52:54 pm
It's sounding more and more like you need to move to Georgia.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 17, 2018, 07:01:14 pm
LOL!  The thought had occurred to me.  I know some nice people down there, after all.   ;)

Not an hour ago, some other Fiero people were telling me to move to Texas.  Earlier this week, I had some other people also ask me to move to Texas, even offering me a temporary house.

Unfortunately, any such move is unlikely, mainly because I have family here, and my wife's family is out of country.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 18, 2018, 09:07:14 pm
It warmed up today.  A regular heat wave of 47 degrees.  The roads were clear and dry, do I went for a drive with my son.  We went looking for the twisties, but inevitable, there was some driver or other who took it upon themself to hold everyone below about half of the speed limit.

So, we rode through some subdivisions:




We got a lot of attention on the highway.  My son was having some fun with people pulling up alongside us.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 18, 2018, 10:19:49 pm
I capped off some unused vacuum lines:

I'm not sure what those 2 bare wires are for.



Also, the line by the dogbone.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 01, 2018, 10:13:03 pm
Today marks 1 year since I started this thread.  Still not over.  Some days, I'm hopeful for good weather in the morning, only to come home to rain or cold weather.  Today, we had the city administrators' meeting, then the zoning meeting, then open house, so I got home late, then had family stuff.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 10, 2018, 10:23:56 am
There are plastic retainers for the spark plug wires.  One of mine is broken.  As I look at the retainers, they appear to be different from each other.  I'm wondering if these parts are still available.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 15, 2018, 04:18:39 pm
Well, it's all wet, here, and rather miserable, but I got in a bit of time on my Fiero.  I started it, and it started right away and ran great.  I shut it off, then tried to start it again.  I had to clear the flood to get it to start, and then I had to run it to clear out the excess fuel.  Lots of smoke.

One of my rear side markers had a bad LED:


When I took the marker apart, I found out why:


New LED installed:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 25, 2018, 09:40:09 pm
Was the stock shift knob for the automatic hard plastic, or leather-covered?  I've had both.  Not sure on preference.  My current knob is hard plastic.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 25, 2018, 10:03:57 pm
I've never owned an automatic but Ray's 86 was and it had the hard rubber or plastic. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 27, 2018, 10:16:04 pm
Trying to get some things figured out:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 28, 2018, 02:14:43 pm
Perhaps Tha Driver can verify (or not) but it seems that the Indy Fieros had leather-covered shift knobs.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Tha Driver on May 29, 2018, 03:39:53 pm
Perhaps Tha Driver can verify (or not) but it seems that the Indy Fieros had leather-covered shift knobs.
Yep the Indy's had light grey leather covered shift knobs & arm rests & steering wheels.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Custom Fiberglass Parts (http://angelonearth.net/customfiberglass/)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 03, 2018, 06:51:13 pm
I've been looking for brass set screws for the throttle body, but haven't had any luck, locally.  Today, I ordered 2 "quarter-twenty" half inch brass set screws.  I hope they fit.  Dunno what will prevent them from coming out.  Maybe a bit of plumbers' tape.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 22, 2018, 09:40:24 pm
The screws were the wrong diameter.  Dunno how that got messed up.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 24, 2018, 10:20:19 pm
My ”new” ECU:


The wiring harness is now correct.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 24, 2018, 10:20:45 pm
For some reason, my left front parking light sits high in the hole, and doesn't match.  This really triggers one of my OCD's, apparently.  I plan to refinish the mounting brackets, anyway, but how the heck does something enclosed like a parking light get out of alignment?

Fixed.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 24, 2018, 10:23:41 pm


I'm a bit irritated about that rusty bracket on my shiny new fuel filter, but I can easily pull it and fix it up.

Fixed the rusty fuel filter bracket.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 24, 2018, 10:26:11 pm


Fixed those hats on top of the struts.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 24, 2018, 10:29:07 pm


Covered the memcal.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 25, 2018, 09:49:02 pm
Tried the push rod removal tool.  Can't get 3 of the rockers to turn far enough to clear the rods.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 02, 2018, 10:34:17 pm
I can now state authoritatively that my Fiero has been to the track where it all started.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 03, 2018, 07:08:38 pm
Proof:


I was fortunate.  No rain, the entire trip.  Apparently, there had been rain that morning, but I never saw any rain or wet roads.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 03, 2018, 11:37:01 pm
This is what happens if you drive in Illinois at night:


I cleaned it at the last gas stop, drove 184 miles, and those darn kamikaze bugs came at me in droves.  Most of the bugs took a head-on approach, but some hit the sides, also.

Oh, and the steel mill is certainly open.  Just foller yer nose.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 04, 2018, 11:26:11 am
Here is my engine bay as it sits now:


I think it's getting close.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 05, 2018, 08:50:01 am
There is a bolt with a plastic handle that holds the spare tire retention rod, and another bolt with a plastic handle that holds the jack.  Where does the third such bolt go?

I can't seem to turn the bolt that holds the spare.  Ideas?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2018, 09:31:33 pm
Does anyone know how to get the spare tire hold down bolt out?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on August 06, 2018, 09:40:10 pm
I never had one that was stuck. Spray some PB Blaster or something similar on it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2018, 09:43:21 pm
I did that.  Then put a pipe wrench on it.  Still can't turn it.  It isn't even particularly tight.  I can move the rod on the shaft of the bolt.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 07, 2018, 09:12:22 pm
Worked on the tail lights a bit.  They came out OK.  While I was at it, I refinished the mounting clips.  I think I got them on even.  Darn!  Forgot to check operation of the lights.



Removed most of the silicone someone put under the stock trunk seal, and secured the trunk seal properly.  Worked on the cowl seals.  I'm still not happy with them.  One seems longer than the other, by about 1 inch.  Or maybe the passenger side cowl seal area requires a longer seal.

Tomorrow, I need to try adjusting the deck lid.  It doesn't sit quite right.  I'll also work on the brakes.

The temperature never gets more than about 1/4 on the gauge.  I need to see what's up with that.

Raining today, so no driving.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 07, 2018, 09:16:54 pm
I'm not sure how the trunk seal is supposed to fit.  I mean, the outer edge of the seal.  Should it go over or under?

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 07, 2018, 11:26:08 pm
Over.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 08, 2018, 01:00:23 am
Oddly, I discovered that the top sides of the trunk are plastic.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 08, 2018, 08:07:44 pm
Dishearteningly, I just discovered that my '88 steering rack is bad.  Apparently, there is no fixing it.  Apparently, if the grease gets out and the rack gets wet, it's done.  Don't make my mistake and let this happen.

Polishing works for a bit, but then the rack locks up again.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 08, 2018, 08:17:09 pm
I did that.  Then put a pipe wrench on it.  Still can't turn it.  It isn't even particularly tight.  I can move the rod on the shaft of the bolt.

In case this happens to anyone else, I got the spare tire out.  I removed the bracket to which the spare tire hold down is bolted, which brought out the offending bolt and the hold down rod.  I soaked the bolt in PB Blaster for an hour, then used a vise and some force to turn the bolt back and forth until I could remove the bolt.  No rust or anything like that.  It's been less than 1 year since it was last removed.  No idea what happened.  Anyway, it's all back together.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 12, 2018, 08:54:48 pm
Does anyone else have a bit of wiper fluid occasionally leak out of the left nozzle while at highway speeds?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on August 12, 2018, 10:20:52 pm
Does anyone else have a bit of wiper fluid occasionally leak out of the left nozzle while at highway speeds?

Nah. just a bit of blinker fluid.

(Seriously, just during hard turns.)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 12, 2018, 10:30:08 pm
Mine sortof sprays up a bit, occasionally.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 12, 2018, 10:45:56 pm
Here are some pics of my Fiero at the 35th.






Better lighting.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 18, 2018, 12:53:53 pm
People seem to like red better than white.  I don't know why.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 02, 2018, 07:01:32 pm
Nothing like RFTH, but I took 94 out to Washington, then 47 to V, to T, then Historic Route 66 to Wild Horse Creek, then went up to the Bottom Road.  Basically, the most direct routes connecting a few twisty roads.  A total of about 188 miles.  Someone in a toy coroda was holding everyone up, running 10-20MPH in a 55.

A lot of the time, I just let my Fiero coast.  It would hold a good speed, and was just idling away at 1,000RPM.

We went up and down plenty of hills, around some turns, and saw some beautiful scenery.  I may make that run again in another month or so.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 10, 2018, 07:05:53 pm
My Fiero now has a front compartment light.  It triggers the AJAR light and everything.  I think I'll work on a reflector for it, and the switch is iffy, but the light does work.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 17, 2018, 09:05:49 pm
Have you ever heard people say that the camera adds 10 pounds?  I can assure you that this is completely true.  I took some pictures of my Fiero, and sure enough, it added 10 pounds--of DIRT!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 18, 2018, 05:52:14 pm
218 miles of mostly city driving.  27 MPG.  I guess it could be worse.  I read somewhere that the Fiero had no economy option for the V6, on the theory that people who bought the V6 weren't concerned about economy.

Why does the Fiero need the defrost feature?  I put my hand on the back window today after driving for a few hours, and no snow, frost, or ice was going to accumulate there.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 18, 2018, 07:22:42 pm
It might be useful in the harsher climates like North Dakota and Nebraska, but the compartment is small enough and the heater is efficient enough that the dash vents directed at the rear window will keep it clear of fog. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 18, 2018, 07:25:14 pm
The defroster does not get the window nearly that hot.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 27, 2018, 08:07:22 pm
There is a bracket or something between the trunk-side valve cover and the distributor, right next to the temp gauge sensor.  What is that bracket called, and what does it do?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 27, 2018, 08:19:19 pm
There is a little heat shield near the gauge sending unit.  There is also a bracket with a large hole in it that's a lift point for the engine.  There should also be one on the opposite corner of the engine, near the right deck hinge. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 27, 2018, 08:23:27 pm
Yes, the lift point.  Is that the technical term?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 29, 2018, 09:22:49 am
Loaded up and ready to go.  Forgive my quirky sense of humor.

Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 29, 2018, 05:12:28 pm
Maybe I should point out that R2D2 is on board.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 29, 2018, 08:08:47 pm
I saw that, but figured it was an old pic.  DragonCon is already over. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 29, 2018, 08:13:43 pm
DragonCon?  Never heard of it.  I don't attend any of those things.  I just got to thinking about how R2D2 sits behind the cockpit in Star Wars, and figured I could do that.  So, R2D2 sits dirdctly behind the cabin in my Fiero.  Well, for that picture, anyway.  In Star Wars, R2D2 was supposed to be able to repair the fighter while in flight.  Sounded helpful for the Fiero.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on September 30, 2018, 09:19:31 pm
Dragon Con (http://www.dragoncon.org/)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 30, 2018, 09:30:03 pm
Hmmm.  Not really my thing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 19, 2018, 09:54:46 pm
I can get regular plates, or bicentennial plates.  Any opinions?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 20, 2018, 07:08:15 pm
While digging around, I found a rusty spot about 1" in diameter by the battery tray.  I guess it's time to break out the angle grinder.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 22, 2018, 01:17:22 pm
I got my cruise control working...sortof.  The cable coming from the cruise module actually moves when the cruise is set; however, the cable itself hangs and will have to be replaced.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 24, 2018, 11:31:07 am
There was a loose ground wire.  This was the bolt holding the jumper from the negative battery terminal to the wheel well.  I tightened it.  Not sure what that could have been affecting.  I guess I should check all the grounds.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 06, 2018, 06:12:31 pm
Darn it!  While trying to adjust the fit of a piece of trim, the trim broke.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on December 06, 2018, 08:26:05 pm
Which piece?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 06, 2018, 08:28:50 pm
The one over the e-brake, going up under the dash.  I broke it at the e-brake.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on December 06, 2018, 09:24:25 pm
If you have all the pieces, you can make a repair by using model car cement and gluing a small thin piece of plastic to the back side, over where the break is located. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 06, 2018, 09:42:21 pm
I was just going to replace the piece.  I don't want a line on the panel.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 14, 2018, 12:50:02 am
Today, I was looking at my mode actuators.  The max AC actuator's spring was dirty.  It took about 2 minutes to clean, and no disassembly was required, although some contortion was required.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 15, 2018, 10:56:57 am
There are plastic things that go through the seat belts.  One of my belts is missing this piece, which leaves a marr in the belt.  Anyone know what this is called or where to find replacements?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on December 15, 2018, 11:28:15 am
Picture of this piece from the other seat belt?  Which side do you need if you have to replace the belt? 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 16, 2018, 09:50:36 pm
Both sides. This is the plastic thing that prevents the seatbelt from retracting too far.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 16, 2018, 10:37:11 pm
Here are pics:






Forgive the poor condition of the interior.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 21, 2018, 11:16:04 pm
I was just going to replace the piece.  I don't want a line on the panel.

Well, the used pieces are...used.  All the screw holes are ruined.  I guess I'll check my gluing skills.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 08, 2019, 01:20:52 pm
My drain plugs don't look very good.  I guess they're steel.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 09, 2019, 07:08:39 pm
How far should the breather element seat into the intake tube?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 09, 2019, 10:01:24 pm
Are you referring to the filter canister on the V6?  The intake tube should make contact or near contact with the side of the canister. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 09, 2019, 10:03:48 pm
The breather tube, from the front valve cover to the intake tube.  Yes, on the V6.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 09, 2019, 11:04:33 pm
The intake tube hole has a groove in it.  There is also a raised area on the end of the metal tube.  The raised area on the tube should snap into the groove in the intake tube. 

The way the metal tube was intended to be installed utilized a metal bracket that had to be bolted to the engine.  This makes it very difficult to remove the intake tube.  I have loosened the bolt and taken the slotted bracket out from behind the bolt, then tightened the bolt, or just bent the bracket so it doesn't fit behind the bolt.  If you snap the tube into the valve cover and into the intake tube, it's not going to come out on its own. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 09, 2019, 11:08:36 pm
That's what I thought.   The ridge on my tube was outside the intake hose port.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on January 10, 2019, 09:58:15 am
My red 86 SE (that my brother now has) came with all pre recall stuff on the engine. When I upgraded it to a post recall intake tube and breather tube, I cut the bracket off the breather tube. It seamed to be only trouble to me.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on January 10, 2019, 04:21:42 pm
I cut the bracket off of mine, too.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 19, 2019, 11:32:48 am
Looks very nice. The next thing you should do is pull that accursed steel water plug (all of them) and replace them with brass plugs. The ONLY plug that needs to be steel is the cam plug.

I wasn't able to catch the water plugs in time.  What happens, now?

Well, it seems that it is a major deal to replace the freeze plugs, at this point.  If I have to tear the engine down again, I'll replace the plugs; otherwise, I guess I'm stuck with the steel plugs.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 23, 2019, 06:14:18 pm
I'm being told that brass freeze plugs get nasty very quickly.  I understand that they won't look like polished brass, but shouldn't they look as good as the other brass in the engine compartment?  It isn't as if most people see them, anyway.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 23, 2019, 08:26:41 pm
Spray them with a high temp engine clear, then bake them before installing them. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 23, 2019, 08:37:15 pm
That's a good idea!  Thanks.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 30, 2019, 05:04:26 pm
My Fiero no longer has the coolant running through the throttle body., nor the cold start injector  Today, I ran my Fiero for half an hour.  It started right up, although the battery was low.  No issues with running.  It does run rich on start, which is a separate issue.  Temp here is -5F, with wind chill around -40F.

Once I get the rich start issue resolved, I'll be able to do a better test, but of course this weather doesn't happen reliably.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 02, 2019, 03:42:58 pm
I'm being told that, if I go back to a distributor setup, I'll increase runability and MPG.  Comments?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 15, 2019, 04:16:30 pm
My thermostat housing does not have the ports for the throttle body lines.  Anyone seen this before?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on February 15, 2019, 05:49:59 pm
I don't agree with the distributor bit above.  The 7730/DIS setup is more efficient.

The thermostst housing may be from a 3.1 or 3.4 or one of the other engines that didn't use the coolant lines.  Maybe an early carbed 2.8?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 15, 2019, 05:51:30 pm
Supposedly from a Fiero.  I thought it was maybe from a 3800.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 24, 2019, 11:10:46 pm
It has been raining, with temps in the mid-30's.  Today, it was sunny, with no rain, but the wind speeds were measured about 66 MPH at the airport.  The streets were dry, and the salt should have been washed away.  I went for a drive in my Fiero.  My intent was to get a Camaro pic for the newsletter, but the Camaro was buried behind a bunch of cars, and the shop was closed, so they weren't very motivated (meaning not moving the Camaro, no pic).  While I was talking with them, I happened to glance over where my Fiero was parked at Burger King (or Hardees, or whatever it was), just in time to see a Fiero pull away from next to mine.  My son claims that Fiero had Wisconsin plates.  Maybe.  Certainly out-of-state plates.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 16, 2019, 05:58:56 pm
Handyman Hardware came through for me, today.  I had previously tried to get the parts for the oil pressure sender TSB, with no luck.  Today, I went in with the sender, the tube, the adapter, AND the TSB.  About half an hour later, I walked out with my parts.  I have mixed feelings about installing this, but we'll see.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 16, 2019, 08:11:14 pm
Earlier, while doing some Spring maintenance, I removed the blower assembly.  My annoying neighbor was watching and talking, the whole time.  Every time I'd stand up or back up, I'd hit against him.  I think he told me what my political position should be on everything.

Anyway, when I pulled out the assembly, he said, "I knew it!  It is powered by a hamster!"  This neighbor has a brand new Crammy.  I said, "No, it runs on hot air.  Talk here, and I'll show you."  He wouldn't do it, but bragged that his car didn't have one.  I grabbed my 4-foot crowbar, and headed for his car.  The neighbor has no conviction whatsoever.  He can be ignorant all day, but today he had no bliss.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 16, 2019, 08:36:36 pm
ROFLOL!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 16, 2019, 08:39:35 pm
Well, you just have a better sense of humor than he has.

After I've been bent over for a long time, my back gets stiff and hurts.  My mood may reflect how my back feels.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2019, 05:46:02 pm
Let me try this Spring pic thing.  No blossoms, here, but scenic, in its own way:
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on March 23, 2019, 08:32:23 pm
Beautiful!  I've always liked white, no matter what color it is. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 23, 2019, 09:23:40 pm
I made it back home, then it rained.

Still trying to figure out why it keeps dying.  Until it warms up, I have to use my foot on the throttle.  Then, it only dies when I hit the throttle to get moving.

I took someone for a ride.  They claim my Fiero runs like a scalded cat.  It was running smoothly, by then, or I'd figure he meant in fits and spurts.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 26, 2019, 10:05:59 pm
I'm terrible at painting, but I gave it a try.  For the record, they make it sound so much easier than it is.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 20, 2019, 07:12:50 pm
After seeing how nasty my Fiero looked in some pictures. I decided to try a different method of getting to the dirt.  I used a water-pic.  Much cleaner, now.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 14, 2019, 08:47:12 pm
This weekend, I'll prep my Fiero for a drive next weekend, then won't see it for most of the summer.  This seems backward.  Shouldn't I be driving it in the summer?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 25, 2019, 10:53:43 pm
Ran through 2 tanks of fuel today.  34.7MPG and 35.1MPG, respectively.  No city driving, on the second tank, but did have my headlights open for the second tank and windows down for both tanks.  I'm not sure about and impact on fuel mileage from the windows, but am rather sure the open headlights have a detrimental affect on fuel mileage.  There was road construction, for the second tank.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 27, 2019, 08:04:04 pm
In looking through my collection of parts, usually, the door hinge pins and bushings are in my way.  I have 2 sets for both doors, so a total of 4.  Now that I'm looking for them, I can't find those, some grommets, or a few other parts.  I tore apart my storage unit and the room at the house, twice each, looking for them.  Just watch,  no sooner will I have ordered more, than the ones I have now will show up, repeatedly.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 09, 2019, 02:00:06 pm
For anyone who has done the 7730 conversion, is running rich on startup normal?  I'm being told that it is.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 17, 2019, 07:42:01 pm
I've been looking at some C6 tail lights.  Those rings are very nice.  Maybe I cojld incorporate them into a panel for my Fiero.  Of course, I'd have to add halos to my headlights to match.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 01, 2019, 06:09:42 pm
The problem with my heat-coated EGR block gasket should now be fixed.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 07, 2019, 01:06:32 pm
Although not a fan of loud vehicles, the comparison in sound between Richard's exhaust note and my Fiero's exhaust note was unavoidable.  My Fiero just does not have nearly as nice of a sound.  I'm considering a replacement of my Spintech muffler, but am unsure of what would produce a better sound.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 07, 2019, 01:28:44 pm
Since my starter is original, and may be dragging, I'm considering a replacement.  TopNotch had mentioned that he used a starter from a 1998 through 2000 Pontiac Grand Am, IIRC, and that this starter would work.

Then there was mention of a "gear reduction starter".  Not sure about that.

Any other input on starters?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on July 07, 2019, 01:41:24 pm
TopNotch's starter is a gear reduction starter.

This one is, too. It's what I ordered for my Duke. Will also fit a V6.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005AN5WAU/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 07, 2019, 02:12:54 pm
What is the benefit of a gear-reduction starter?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on July 07, 2019, 07:44:59 pm
What is the benefit of a gear-reduction starter?
It weighs a lot less than the stock starter. Less weight for the engine to move, and less weight for you to lift when installing it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 07, 2019, 07:48:58 pm
Ah.  Those all sound like good things.  Does it require more battery to operate?  Amperage, that is.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 09, 2019, 11:23:49 pm
In pursuit of corrdcting the ride height on my Fiero, I have looked at lowering ball joints, drop spindles, and lowering springs.  Drop spindles seemed to be the way to go, but not the set I got, which will go straight back.

Honestly, since my life depends on the quality of this part, I'm a bit scared to do this.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on July 10, 2019, 08:18:01 am
Ah.  Those all sound like good things.  Does it require more battery to operate?  Amperage, that is.

Probably a bit less amperage, since the motor doesn't have to work as hard. (It just spins faster.)
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on July 10, 2019, 08:57:01 am
From what I've read, most say to go with the drop spindles.  All other methods of lowering changes the suspension geometry.  Maybe not when setting alignment but as the car reacts to the road and load put on the individual wheel. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on July 10, 2019, 11:59:18 am
The only drop spindles available for the 88 are what used to be Held/Ryane or whoever the heck they are this year.
There were some serious questions regarding the quality of the most recent pieces. (One person had one to come apart.)
Jeremy from TFF/Fiero Factory was/is supposed to be in the process of acquiring the product line. If he does, I have every expectation that the quality will be top shelf.
I have no idea where that stands, however.

In spite of all the "nay-sayers" I cut the springs on both of my cars. (A spring has no idea how long it is, or how long it used to be, as long as it's done correctly.)
One coil is usually plenty, to drop the front level with the rear.
My gray car is running 86 GT springs on the front, cut by 1.25(?) coils. Theoretically, it results in a bit higher spring rate than the 88 springs. It rides fine, even with poly bushings.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 10, 2019, 06:12:51 pm
From what I've read, most say to go with the drop spindles.  All other methods of lowering changes the suspension geometry.  Maybe not when setting alignment but as the car reacts to the road and load put on the individual wheel.

The lower ball joints do change the geometry.  The springs just control ride height.

Yes, the load on the front wheels will increase...giving me the balance of the pre-'88 models, and reducing both drag and aero-lift.

Yes, geting into the car will feel as if the limbo bar was dropped by an inch, and I'll be more likely to hit angled driveways, trailer ramps, etc.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 11, 2019, 07:35:05 pm
All the poly bushings are coming out to be greased with a spdcial grease, so that the bushings won't squeak, later on.

I found 2 broken rivets under the rocker panels, so those will be replaced.

Under the nose, there is a black piece of....something.  There are staples(?) Holding this in place, and two rusty-looking metal pieces.  I'm trying to figure out how to get these apart, so that I can rectify this rust.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 12, 2019, 06:30:49 pm
While pulling the radiator, we checked the upper radiator support.  The support looked great.  There is nothing wrong with the radiator, except it's old, and probably getting clogged.  So, a new radiator will be installed.

Anyway, we pulled the AC condenser, with a plan to replace it.  Prior to pulling the condenser, it looked so good, we were ready to just clean it and put it back in.  Then we saw this:


And this:


So, the new condenser went in, after all.  It was a very good fit.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 12, 2019, 06:35:11 pm
Next came the radiator.  Well, it would not set in place.  After some time with a look-see, we discovered that the lower radiator support is bent.  Rrgh!

Back out came the radiator, then the support.  I'm sorry to say that this bent support was my fault.  Remember back in 2016, when the brake booster went out, and I drove my Fiero onto the trailer?  Well, as I stated then, I hit the bumper cover on the trailer ramp.  That transferred some paint, but also bent a few things.  Most of that was fixed, but this was not noticed, until now.

Here are some pics:


Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 12, 2019, 06:36:56 pm
The brace was bent about 1.5".  The radiator seated, but almost touched the sway bar on the passenger side.

We straightened the brace, stripped and painted it, and it will go in tomorrow.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 12, 2019, 09:11:54 pm
I got my rack rebuilt, sortof.  Rodney's bushing, new tie rod inners and outers, new bellows.  Trying to install the bushings, but not sure how.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 09:58:25 am
Here is the new condensor installed:


Nice fit.  Forgive all that rust on top.  That'll be addressed today.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 10:01:11 am
Test fit for the lower radiator support:


Notice the even gap to the sway bar.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 10:03:06 am
Here is the new radiator and fan installed:




I think it looks good, and fits well.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 10:06:45 am
Oh.  The fan does pull air rearward through the radiator.  Made sure it does not blow forward, out of the radiator.

I read somewhere that someone wired theirs backward.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on July 13, 2019, 10:09:30 am
Dang!  That looks nice.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 10:14:15 am
Thanks.  I hope you were referring to the new stuff, and not the rust.

This fan moves a lot more air, but draws less current.  Sadly, I have a brand new, unused motor for the old fan.  Once I saw this fan, I had to have it, and now I do have it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Raydar on July 13, 2019, 06:36:21 pm
...
This fan moves a lot more air, but draws less current. 
... Once I saw this fan, I had to have it, and now I do have it.

Where did it come from? (Did I miss that?)
Since it pulls more air, and draws less juice, I'm guessing it's not a stock Fiero piece?

I've always felt like the fan in my 4.9 car pulled too much juice. More air movement won't hurt it, either.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 06:46:07 pm
16" fan, from Amazon.  Ordered in March, showed delivered, but was never shipped.  Got my money back, ordered another, also in March, received early in June.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on July 13, 2019, 07:37:59 pm
Looks like it fits perfectly into the shroud.  How is it held in place?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 07:39:26 pm
By the original shroud.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 09:48:05 pm
If you look carefully, you can see a rivet holding the original shroud to the new fan case.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 13, 2019, 09:51:51 pm
My gauges have been recalibrated, and are now installed.  Can't wait to test, but the starter is out.

I've been going through the light bulb sockets.  It looks as if several could benefit from replacement.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 14, 2019, 08:18:30 pm
Well, the new evaporator core is in.  Apparently, the coolant smell was from a loose hose clamp.  There were more leaves around the evap core.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 14, 2019, 08:20:27 pm
Here is a link for the fan used in my Fiero:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B077YJ9K2G/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_apa_i_3S7kDbAYJ876G
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 14, 2019, 09:08:08 pm
There is a rubber flap that goes over the radiator.  Mine is old, but still looks OK.  I have 3 new flaps, from different sources, but the texture differs slightly from stock.  My opinion is that I may as well put a new flap on, because the new flaps are much more flexible, but I surely want to keep the stock look.  Maybe I'm just lazy, and don't want to remove the sticker.

To help me decide, I'm soaking the sticker in goo-gone, and soaking the old flap in rubber rejuvenator.  By tomorrow evening, hopefully there will be a winner.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 14, 2019, 09:17:17 pm
I should note that I have new drain plugs, but they are made of dteel.  My stock drain plugs are made of stainless steel, are in good shape, and come out easily.  So, I guess I'll keep my stock plugs for a bit longer.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 15, 2019, 08:11:25 pm
The front compartment and air dam are back together.  Those metal strips on either side of the air dam were rusty.  I'm wondering if those could be replaced with brass, or tefflon.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 16, 2019, 06:01:53 pm
Pulled the front shocks, today.  They were sensatracks, put in almost 6 years ago.  The rubber bushings were starting to crack.  One of the shocks compresses, but does not rebound on its own.  KYB's going in.

6 years seems rather short, since the stock shocks were in there for more than 20 years.  The shocks/struts on my truck were good for about 200,000 miles, and 9 years.
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Post by: TopNotch on July 16, 2019, 06:08:55 pm
If a shock is not gas filled, it's not going to rebound even when new.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 16, 2019, 06:09:56 pm
True, but I would have expected both of the sensatrack shocks to behave the same.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 16, 2019, 06:40:06 pm
Got the new sway bar bushings in, and the control arm bushings, and the steering rack bushing, the tie rods, and the ball joints.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 17, 2019, 07:43:14 pm
The AC held overnight, so it got charged up, today.

There are some minor issues with the cruise control, but an Ozark adjuster should fix them.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 18, 2019, 06:32:16 pm
The decklid weather strip is now installed.

The decklid vents were done at a professional body shop in 2015, but the paint flaked off.  Just gave them an amateur strip and paint job.  We'll see how that goes.

The brake hoses are all secured properly.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 20, 2019, 07:10:30 pm
Took my Fiero for a drive.  Of course, with a 0% chance of rain, clear skies, and clear radar, it rained on me.  >:(

The AC blows cold.  107 degrees out, cold inside.

The cruise control works great.

The alignment is good and tight, but feels a bit touchy.

One of the screws on my decklid leaks.

The temp gauge indicates a bit high.  The gauge is correct.  Replaced the sensor, no change.

The idle is good.

I'm still getting used to the lower stance.

Unfortunately, several of the gauge lights aren't working.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 20, 2019, 08:17:28 pm
Twice today, I broke the rear wheels loose, just by flooring the pedal.  I'd never tried before.  I'm not sure how long the wheels would spin.  I just wanted to see what would happen.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 20, 2019, 08:28:27 pm
The rubber splash guard by the rear wheels has now been replaced, along with the rubber flap over the radiator, and the shield between the muffler and the transmission.  The first two fit great, but the last took some work.  The screw holes are a bit off.

The original sway bar bushings were toast.

Apparently, the transmission cooler lines were starting to leak at the radiator.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 21, 2019, 07:46:07 am
1 coil was cut from each of the front springs.  After seeing how it sat, an additional half coil was cut.  I should have left it at 1 coil, but it's done.  No rubbing, but it looks slightly too low, and I'm now concerned about clearance.  The ride is still fine.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 21, 2019, 10:59:36 pm
The difference in rear window temp, now that the weatherstrip is installed, is incredible.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 21, 2019, 11:01:14 pm
My gauges are all calibrated, but the fuel gauge is still several gallons off.  I think I may just adjust the needle to fix this, because it does continue to read below empty.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 21, 2019, 11:36:03 pm
I can confirm that the next tank of fuel also only got 31 MPG.  Headlight doors were open, some hot dogging took place.  AC was on.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 22, 2019, 06:12:54 pm
The decklid vents were done at a professional body shop in 2015, but the paint flaked off.  Just gave them an amateur strip and paint job.  We'll see how that goes.

Well, it looks good on top, but the grate on the bottom, not so much.

My decklid vents are not level with my decklid.  Is there a way to rectify this?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 22, 2019, 06:46:07 pm
Lowered:


Is that too far?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 23, 2019, 08:29:06 pm
The old control arms don't look badly.



When I swapped the control arms, apparently I missed something.



Oops.  That'll be fun to fix.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 28, 2019, 07:51:38 pm
For some reason, I had figured that the cabin side of the firewall would be hot.  After 5 hours of driving, it should have had time to warm up, right?  I felt the firewall, and it was maybe body temp.  To put this another way, it was the same temp as the seat cushion, as scientifically determined by my fingers.  Apparently, the insulation works.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 29, 2019, 07:21:38 pm
2,780 miles in my Fiero in 2 weeks.  About 2,200 more miles to go to complete testing.  Taking a break to address a few things.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 30, 2019, 08:37:13 pm
I've been playing with my digital cruise.  It is fairly steady.  When set, it does not set a few MPH below the speed you were going.  So far, so good.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 30, 2019, 09:14:06 pm
My Pisa cowl has been installed for about a year, now.  I received several compliments on it this past weekend, but the oddest thing was that people were not familiar with the product or the vendor.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 03, 2019, 10:47:10 am
While working on the front of my Fiero, I discovered that there is a lot of hidden debris.  Seriously, shine some light up in all those ridges.
 Some disassembly was required, but I got a lot of stuff out--including several screws.  No idea where those screws go.

The brake master cylinder was looking a little dirty, so a cleaning was in order.  Figuring that the metal portion is aluminum, I used some Purple Power and some elbow grease.  I got a lot of dirty rags, but was unable to get a perfect finish.  Oh, well.  The cleaning ended when the rags stopped collecting dirt.

Behind the blower squirrel cage, there was a rusty plate.  Since I had the assembly out, I figured a cleaning was in order.  I sprayed that with rust converter, and soaked it in white vinegar.  A bit of polishing and a quick coat of black paint seems to have done the trick.

While up under the dash, there were what appeared to be rusty screws.  These screws were replaced with brass screws.

Since it was detail time, the engine bay also got some attention.  Part of the cradle was looking less than clean, so it got a good scrubbing.  Word to the wise: do this while the muffler is not hot.  Just because it isn't radiating heat does not mean it is not hot if you accidentally brush the back of your hand against it.

There is a tiny rock chip in my windshield, sigh.  While scrubbing the bug collector windshield, the chip could be felt, and a bit of searching located the chip.  It is very tiny, but those things like to grow.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 07, 2019, 09:46:53 pm
When I was looking for sway bars, none were to be found.  Now, TFS sells new bars.  Hmmm.  To keep, or to replace?  That is the question.
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Post by: Fierofool on August 07, 2019, 10:42:55 pm
Yesterday while looking for something else on the net, I saw a set of Hadco or Harco, or whatever they're called, Front and Rear swaybars for sale, but they were very pricey at $700 and change.  I don't remember where I saw them, though. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 07, 2019, 10:44:51 pm
Yeah, and when you're looking for them, not to be found.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 09, 2019, 06:43:11 pm
Some thoughtful person stuck ABC gum on my tail light.  Unfortunately, the heat really baked it on, by the time I saw the gum.  What type of person thinks it's OK to leave their gum stuck somewhere?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 09, 2019, 06:49:30 pm
If you have a can of the aerosol keyboard duster, direct a stream of air or even upside down and give a shot of liquid to the gum.  You should be able to flake it right off a hard surface.  In absence of that, put an ice cube in a baggie and hold it against the gum for 3 or 4 minutes. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 09, 2019, 06:55:11 pm
I checked the security footage.  The person who did it is paying for removal.  The person was given several options for handling this, and chose to pay.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 05, 2019, 10:59:12 pm
My Fiero is back home.  I'm going to try to run it without the thermostat, after getting caught up with some chores.

Still waiting to hear back from Ryan.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 07, 2019, 02:21:45 pm
My Fiero got to spend a day at the Lamborghini place nearby.  They parked my Fiero indoors, and gave it a detailing.  My Fiero spent 2 days in the Embasy Suites with some other cars.  Then it spent a day in the showroom at Classic Cars.  Today, it was up on the ramp at the air show, but outdoors.

I've been asked to bring my Fiero to an outdoor show later this month.
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Post by: TopNotch on September 07, 2019, 03:17:58 pm
How did your Fiero feel about that?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 07, 2019, 04:00:09 pm
Well, it never ran well for the first half of my drive today, so I guess it liked that.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 11, 2019, 08:36:43 pm
The temp gauge sender wiring received a new shield.

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Post by: Fierofool on September 11, 2019, 09:42:08 pm
I've never seen anything on them other than a ribbed plastic sheath. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 12, 2019, 10:04:50 pm
Will the metal heat shield still fit, with the coil packs there?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on September 12, 2019, 10:31:00 pm
I'm not sure how your coil packs are mounted but the shield fits down into the recess where the sensor is located.  It curls around below and between the sensor and manifold. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 12, 2019, 10:32:22 pm
There is a bit of space.  A bit.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 14, 2019, 07:18:46 pm
I have pictures of my Fiero with the largest rocking chair in the works, the largest pitchfork, largest mailbox, etc.  Somewhere, I have a picture of my Fiero with a statue of John Wayne on one side, and Ronald Reagan on the other.

There is a globe somewhere that I've been trying to find.  I was unable to get my Fiero anywhere near the Liberty Bell.

So, here's a pic I was able to get:


This was difficult to get, because of road heights.  My Fiero is too low.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 06, 2019, 05:26:42 pm
Well, one step forward, one step backward.  Sigh.

My objective was to cross something off my list.  The bad loom.

Before
After

The trunk wall wiring was first.  The original loom was about 2.25" too short, so a new piece was made to replace it, and run all the way back to a harness junction by the air filter canister.  Of course, additional work was needed on that end, and the wiring going into the MAT sensor did not please me, so I cleaned that up as well.

Yes, the retainer was clipped back around the loom, after this picture was taken.

So far, so good.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 06, 2019, 05:31:01 pm
Next up was the hinge wiring loom.

Before
After

Somewhere around this time, I noticed that my trunk light was not lit.  I removed the housing from the trunk wall, and discovered that the bulb was missing!  No amount of digging around in that hole led to finding the bulb.

Overall, I'm pleased with the new loom.  It feels slightly more slick than the original, but it seems to hold up to the abuse of my testing.

So, although I have the loom project marked as a success, in removing this item from my list, I had to add another item.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 01, 2019, 08:56:04 pm
I'm thinking of adding a vent to my spoiler.  Has anyone tried this?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 01, 2019, 09:26:22 pm
What would it vent?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 01, 2019, 09:27:49 pm
Heat from the engine bay.
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Post by: NoMad on November 02, 2019, 02:27:42 pm
I have the decklid vented but it is forward of the spoiler.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 02, 2019, 04:42:34 pm
I may also add a decklid vent, but my thought was to run air up through the wingstands to the spoiler, and out the spoiler.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 02, 2019, 05:44:37 pm
The stands mount over the trunk, not over the engine compartment.  It would be hard to route air to the stands, and then the amount going up through there probably wouldn't be much.  The Mustang scoop like NoMad has is probably the most efficient. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 02, 2019, 06:05:27 pm
Hmmm.  Probably so.

I was going to use the turbo intercooler vent, and have hor air be forced through the decklid to the stands, which would require reworked mounts.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 14, 2019, 08:10:52 pm
The new trunk light arrived and has been installed.   The lens does not stay in the hole well.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 02, 2019, 05:45:22 pm
Haven't had time to work on the lens, but got something else in the mail: coolant tubes!
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 06, 2019, 11:30:30 pm
Weather permitting, tomorrow will be the test to see if my Fiero responds well to the new programming.  Other than leaves, everything is supposed to be clear.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 14, 2019, 12:22:43 pm
While looking at some other things on my Fiero, I came across this:




Ugh!  It never ends.  I guess the next thing is to replace this deteriorating loom.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on December 14, 2019, 05:06:47 pm
That may have been where something from the F Body was bolted, and not something missing from the Fiero. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 14, 2019, 06:28:44 pm
I meant the deteriorating loom.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 19, 2019, 07:06:04 pm
Have you ever looked back on a choice you made, and wondered what in the heck you were thinking when you made that choice?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on December 19, 2019, 09:54:46 pm
Haven't we all? 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 19, 2019, 09:59:54 pm
Well, in October of 2016, I had a running, driving Fiero.  The only issue was that the AC had quit working.  My, how times have changed.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 21, 2019, 11:46:04 am
Here is one of the hose clamps on my Fiero.

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Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 26, 2019, 07:05:53 pm
For Christmas, my Fiero got a detail and hand wash.  Then it was covered up before people arrived.
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Post by: The Art Doctor on January 11, 2020, 11:16:47 pm
Took two days to read all of this.  Thanks for putting out the effort to keep this thread going.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 11, 2020, 11:19:03 pm
Glad you enjoyed it.

I wish it were shorter.  I'm ready for my Fiero to be finished.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 15, 2020, 08:19:44 pm
I'm going to try some different pulleys on the water pump, alternator, and crankshaft.  The pulleys arrived today, but will have to wait until I'm feeling better for install.

I'm going to try aluminum, but the design is a bit different.  The water pump pulley was difficult to size, to fit over the water pump.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 24, 2020, 06:39:52 pm
Well, I have a list of about 30 things that need to be fixed on my Fiero.  My hope is to get them fixed this year, but mostly not to discover additional issues.  Maybe it's just me, but my Fiero doesn't really go anywhere while the engine is out.  I'm debating having the transmission rebuilt again.

Actually, the paint could use some help, but not this year.

Meanwhile, this wiring issue is kicking my butt.  Somewhere, there is a ground issue--at least, that's my guess.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 25, 2020, 11:36:40 am
Maybe I'm batty, but something odd occurred.  While running my hand along the coolant tube on the driverxs side, I found air blowing on my hand.  This was almost directly below the steering wheel, while the engine was running, and the blower was on.  I was not expecting this.  At first, I thought it was coolant, but no, just air.  Any explanation?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 25, 2020, 09:14:43 pm
If your cooling fan was running you might feel air in that area. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 25, 2020, 09:16:28 pm
Just cabin fan.  Not radiator fan.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 26, 2020, 06:59:12 pm
I'm going to try some different pulleys on the water pump, alternator, and crankshaft.  The pulleys arrived today, but will have to wait until I'm feeling better for install.

I'm going to try aluminum, but the design is a bit different.  The water pump pulley was difficult to size, to fit over the water pump.

I only tried the water pump and crank pulleys.  The alternator looked a bit too ambitious.  The crank pulley works, but the water pump pulley would not line up.  On the positive side, I bled all over the place attempting this, so they can hold on using leeches to suck my blood.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 07, 2020, 08:02:04 pm
While the steel pulleys were out, I've been testing cleaning methods.  Based on the results, if you want to get the dirt off the parts, wear a white shirt.

The grease and gaskets have been a difficulty to remove.  I don't have a sand blaster, but am reluctant to use one on aluminum, anyway.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: The Art Doctor on February 08, 2020, 10:24:12 am
Aluminum cleans fantastic with glass beads in a cheap harbor freight cabinet.  Just stay away from excessive air pressure and heavy grits like black beauty or garnet they are for rusty steel and iron.  It would be nice to own two cabinets one each with glass and garnet.  I have one with black beauty in it all the time for old rusty stuff. I can dump it and change to glass but there is some contamination doing it that way.  Not a big deal on pulleys but delicate stuff like pistons it is.   If you get one put it on wheels so you can roll it outdoors, they make a HUGE mess.  Wear a dust mask at all times, even with a dust collection system!  For a guy who does not like rust as much as you do, you need one.  Even a small bench top unit is OK but you'll wish you had a bigger one.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 08, 2020, 10:29:40 am
Outside stuff is a no-go.  The Nazis code enforcement behinds princesses are troublesome.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 12, 2020, 06:26:41 pm
It looks as if the right rear splash shield needs to be replaced, so one of these days, maybe a field trip to the auto parts parking lot.  I should have replaced it, last year (when I did the left side), but was too lazy.

After this, all the shields other than the one under the nose should be the replaced versions, AFAIK.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 03, 2020, 05:55:45 pm


You can use a wheel like this.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 03, 2020, 05:56:34 pm


...with this center.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 31, 2020, 10:23:30 pm
With a bit of work, my steering rack bushing bracket cleaned right up.



I had no idea that that tab was on there, previously.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 08, 2020, 08:09:16 pm
The westher was nice (before the hail arrived), so I went for a quick drive in my Fiero.  Some guy driving an Amazon van pulled up next to me, and gave my a thumbs-up.  As I think of this, it seems incredible that I could see the driver of a vehicle that high, when the vehicle was on my left.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 11, 2020, 02:05:18 pm
It cost more, at the time, but it seems to have bedn a good decision to have replaced all the bushings, mounts, anything rubber or suspension, everything with the brakes, all the cooling componentd, all the fuel-related stuff, all gaskets, the belts, the water pump, etc while the engine was out.  However it turns out, those things were a good decision.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 12, 2020, 10:16:45 pm
Sometimes, it seems that I make no progress, but this is better than it was.  A while back, I'd pulled my tail lights, and noticed that the backs of the housings were filthy, and the metal clips were rusty.  So, some work was needed.



I don't know if these were originally painted or bare metal when new.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 17, 2020, 05:44:43 pm
I've been looking for brass set screws for the throttle body, but haven't had any luck, locally.  Today, I ordered 2 "quarter-twenty" half inch brass set screws.  I hope they fit.  Dunno what will prevent them from coming out.  Maybe a bit of plumbers' tape.

Well, this ended up being a dead end.  The threads are somewhat recessed, which would place the set screws too far in.  I considered cutting the heads off the set screws and brazing them to the shaft of a bolt, but that presents its own set of challenges.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on April 17, 2020, 09:08:14 pm
Where would you use brass set screws of that size?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 17, 2020, 09:24:00 pm
With the threads ground off, to plug the holes from the throttle body lines.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 16, 2020, 09:35:07 pm
After some searching, I found the trim around the e-brake to replace my broken piece.  After I get the broken trim replaced, I'll try to fix the broken trim.  I'm not sure if my method will work, so I wanted to have something in case.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 19, 2020, 12:46:29 pm
It never ends.  This showed up.



No idea how that happened.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2020, 06:36:43 pm
I'm disappointed with this cover.  Other rips and tears have developed.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2020, 06:37:51 pm
While not working on the '84, working on the '88.  So, going to start with the oil leak and the blown EGR mount block gasket.
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Post by: The Art Doctor on August 06, 2020, 06:59:29 pm
Have you a recommendation yet for a better cover?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2020, 07:19:14 pm
Having tried several different covers, no.  This one has lasted less than 2 years.  Usually, a cover is good for 3 years.  The outdoors is not its friend.  This is for indoor/outdoor covers.  This cover would last much longer indoors.  This ia a fitted cover; if you don't care, there are other covers, but I found them either sloppily too large, or too small.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 06, 2020, 08:08:32 pm
Is this a single layer cover?  Or is it a multi layer like the Evolution covers?  I have a paper cover that's similar in appearance to yours.  It is used exclusively outdoors but not consistently.  It doesn't fully filter water, but it does a good job in protecting the car from heat and UV.  Its deterioration comes from folding the cover. 

Same with the Tyvek covers.  They are quite water and tear resistant, but constant removal and folding for storage tends to start small cracks that eventually lead to water and dirt passing through to the car's finish.  I do like the Tyvek covers best of the two.  The paper covers will eventually start to leave fine paper powder on the car when removed.  The Tyvek covers have a soft underside that doesn't damage the finish and allows the cover to slide on the finish rather than sticking.  White ones really keep the car cool inside, even in mid-90 degrees.  The ideal, I suppose, would be to put the Tyvek cover on the car then cover that with the paper one. 

The Evolution covers are made for the specific car and the one for the Fiero can be ordered for a notchback or fastback, either with or without spoiler.  Mirror pockets are form fitting. 

My endorsement of the Evolution covers isn't totally because I own stock in the company.  I have seen them, have had friends who had them, and I know their protective abilities.  But they're a little pricey compared to some other covers.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2020, 08:14:44 pm
This is an Evolution cover.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 06, 2020, 08:17:09 pm
Single layer or multiple layer?  There is a warranty on their covers.  Is it still in warranty?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2020, 08:18:55 pm
Doubt it's still under warranty, but I did not send in anything.  That's something to check, though.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 06, 2020, 08:26:12 pm
It's 4 layers.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 07, 2020, 05:26:00 pm
I've been replacing loom and that heat shielding that goes over wires.  That silver shielding that turned yellow looked nasty.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on August 07, 2020, 06:13:40 pm
It's 4 layers.
That would be the same one Mel and I considered.  Evolution 4.  If you have a sales receipt you may be in luck.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 07, 2020, 06:15:20 pm
I purchased it from TFS.  They said send pictures, and they'll see what they can do.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 09, 2020, 12:25:59 pm
The heat sheath on the wiring for the TPS has been bothering me.  I'm not a fan of splotchy/mottled yellow on silver.  So, I replaced the sheath.  The results aren't thrilling.



While in the area, some of the wiring loom near the water pump was replaced.  The loom hadn't looked badly to my eye, but looked as if it was getting furry in some picture from a while back.  No pictures of that.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 09, 2020, 06:32:29 pm
Replaced the right rear splash guard.  The mount points are slightly different from factory.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on August 09, 2020, 07:00:05 pm
Have you a recommendation yet for a better cover?
I ordered one from SealSkinCovers.com. They're supposed to be good, and to fit. We'll find out whether or not they are recommendable.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: The Art Doctor on August 09, 2020, 08:36:42 pm
I got one with a car once, did not know brand but it was dark beige to the orange tint in color, kind of a waffle texture and very heavy.   It held up well outdoors, went with the car as it was fitted.  Wish I knew the brand. Any guesses?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 25, 2020, 07:03:27 pm
Replacing the oil pan gasket seal.  I think just about everything the guy who did the swap "did" has had to be redone.  I hope this fixes the last of the oil leaks.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 26, 2020, 08:20:13 pm
I got one with a car once, did not know brand but it was dark beige to the orange tint in color, kind of a waffle texture and very heavy.   It held up well outdoors, went with the car as it was fitted.  Wish I knew the brand. Any guesses?

The Evolution cover I have sortof has.a waffle texture.  Not really heavy, but much heavier than the plastic cover.  There are a number of Corvettes in my neighborhood, some Porsches, and a 30-something Ford.  Their covers don't hold up any longer than mine does.  The Ford is mostly indoors.

My observation is that covers that stay clean last longer, and covers that stay on last longer.  Sunlight is not the covers' friend.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on August 26, 2020, 09:16:21 pm
I got my Sealskin cover. I haven't tried it yet, but it doesn't look like it will last more than a couple of years.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 28, 2020, 07:08:52 pm
It isn't pretty, but I now have the heat shield by the temp gauge sender.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 25, 2020, 07:38:41 pm
My intent had been to make RFTH.  I had worked hard to get my Fiero ready, but it just wasn't in the stars.  My Fiero is good to go, so that was accomplished.

Unfortunately, Microsoft had other plans.  I could not have left until about 1.5 hours ago, which would have gotten me there about 4am tomorrow.  If there is no fallout from the Microsoft patches, things may have been OK.  But Microsoft has such good bugs called patches.

I actually finished 12 minutes shead of schedule, but it has been a rough week.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 26, 2020, 08:10:34 pm
After driving several vrhicles, today, I went to the store to get some things.  After I left the store, I went looking for my Fiero.  I looked through the lot, and saw no Fiero--mine or that of anyone else.  So, I sat down to try to figure out what had happened, because I just did not want to deal with the idea of it having been stolen.

Finally, I remembered exactly where I had parked my Fiero.  At home.  It was much easier to find the vehicle I actually drove to the store.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Slyp on September 27, 2020, 02:03:39 pm
Been there done that........
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 27, 2020, 04:32:41 pm
I bet you used your head before you walked as much as I did.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: The Art Doctor on September 29, 2020, 07:57:58 pm
They can be hard to find in a sea of oversized SUV's.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 29, 2020, 08:10:42 pm
You just look for the gaps.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 04, 2020, 04:02:15 pm
Back in 2014, I had rebuilt my headlight motors.  They usually work great.  At least, the passenger side motor does.  The driver side works, unless it isn't used for months.  Opening the front compartment does not help, but a little tap on the knob, and the motor works again...until after it has not been used for several months.

To be fair, after the rebuild, once when I went to turn on the lights, my son held that light closed.  That day was the stsrt of the problems, but seems unlikely to have caused this.

Time for another rebuild?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: The Art Doctor on October 06, 2020, 07:00:04 pm
Are not new available? Or are they off shore junk?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 06, 2020, 07:04:07 pm
They are available.  I have a brand new set in a box, somewhere.  The only issue is getting the correct plugs.  Someone who many of the club members know (the son of an RFTH attendee) bought a set with the wrong plugs.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on October 06, 2020, 07:53:43 pm
I've also heard that the polarity of some of the motors is reversed, requiring a repinning or cutting and splicing the wires. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 06, 2020, 08:06:44 pm
Hmmm.  Mine plugged up, but I never tested them.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 07, 2020, 10:55:14 pm
When I drove my Fiero, this past weekend, I went through Crovette Country.  At an intersection, I passed 4 Corvettes at a stopsign.  All 4 followed me for a while, but at another intersection, they went left, and I went right.  Later, I caught up to more Corvettes.  I did try to takea pic of the 4 Corvettes following me, but the road was not cooperative, and the picture is all messed up.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 02, 2020, 07:56:58 am
The rumor is confirmed: that GTRS guy does have a Fiero.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 03:20:12 pm
The left axle is rather wobbly.  The right axle is fairly tight, but we'll see after it's out.

You may recall that the left axle boot was torn, a while back.  The axle was removed, the joint was packed with grease, and the boot replaced.  Apparently, the damage was done.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 04:42:46 pm
Here is a pic of the new axles.  I hope they're the correct axles.



There certainly are some differences between the two axles.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on November 07, 2020, 05:48:58 pm
The tri-pot end of the shorter one doesn't look right. I'm just going by memory, but when I changed the transmission on my yellow car, I'm pretty sure that both axles had splines on that end.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 05:51:21 pm
I was afraid you were going to say that.   :(

Do you know which part you used?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on November 07, 2020, 06:05:30 pm
Do you know which part you used?
I'm not sure what you mean. I replaced the transmission, and re-used the existing axles.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 06:05:55 pm
Going by the part numbers and pics in the thread below (as well as other threads), it seems the axle may be correct.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20120111-2-110733.html
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 06:06:36 pm
Do you know which part you used?
I'm not sure what you mean. I replaced the transmission, and re-used the existing axles.

Is your white Fiero back on the road, then?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on November 07, 2020, 06:20:38 pm
Is your white Fiero back on the road, then?
I was referring to the transmission replacement in my yellow car. See this thread (http://www.gafiero.org/bbs/index.php?topic=2776).
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 06:24:39 pm
Now I'm really confused.  My transmission is a 4T60 auto.  Buzz has a 5zspeed manual.  The white Fiero has a 4T60E, which is similar to mine, but longer.  Yes, my bad thinking you had to get another axle.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on November 07, 2020, 06:30:23 pm
I was thinking that auto and manual axles can't be that different. Maybe they are, and the driver side is different.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 06:36:58 pm
Dunno about the ends.  I was expecting splines on both.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on November 07, 2020, 06:59:05 pm
I'm not pulling my white car's transmission until I get a roof over it, and my new corrugated roof carport isn't scheduled to be delivered until the 19th. Only then will I know "the rest of the story'.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 07, 2020, 07:34:58 pm
Well, Paul Harvey, I'm still interested in that story.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 11, 2020, 06:34:23 pm
The left axle fit into the transmission, no problem.  Unfortunately, the splines will not fit into the hub.  Rrgh!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 11, 2020, 06:35:48 pm
From Fieroguru:
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The proper application is 89 Pontiac 6000 with 4T60 and option JA1 light duty brakes, 30mm nut and 33 spline.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 11, 2020, 07:32:46 pm
Joy.  The boxes had the wrong parts in them.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 12, 2020, 05:06:41 pm
From parts barn pics:




If you liik at those passenger-side axles, they do not have splines on the transmission end.

Obviously, 3 or so of the right axles came from a different transmission.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 14, 2020, 05:41:52 pm
I did not count the splines on the previous set, but the new set has 33.  Same part numbers, different source.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 14, 2020, 06:23:06 pm
Here is the new left axle:


Notice the metal outboard of the CV joint (bottom of picture)?  Neither the new left axle nor the old axles had that.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 14, 2020, 08:04:49 pm
Some of the replacement axles come with an ABS ring of some sort because our axles are used in later model cars.  I've heard of people just knocking them off because the axle won't install with them on it.  I found a number of listings for Fiero left axles on PartsGeek.  The left rear for an automatic doesn't have external splines on the inboard end.  It has internal splines to go over a shaft inside the transmission. 

One of the other images showed the ABS reluctor wheel but it doesn't look anything like you show in your image. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 15, 2020, 05:42:59 am
The new axles seem to weigh less.  I can hold both of the new axles in one hand, and lift them, bending at the elbow.  I cannot do that with the old axles.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 15, 2020, 05:45:13 am
Something I noticed with the parts barn axles, is that the splines on the hub end do not appear to be straight.  Should the splines have a twist to them?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 15, 2020, 07:59:29 am
The splines are straight.  If they were angled, it would pull or push the axle in or out of the transmission during acceleration and deceleration. 

As for the differences in the axles in our parts barn, the ones with splines on both end come from a manual transmission car.  The one without splines on the transmission end comes from an automatic.  This is one reason the seals for the drivers side are different sizes from the manual transmissions. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 15, 2020, 08:21:07 am
Hmmm.  Maybe the short axle is on the left side.

The splines on some of those axles do look angled, but yes, what you stated makes sense.  I just don't want to take everything apart again for nothing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on November 15, 2020, 11:01:03 am
Hmmm.  Maybe the short axle is on the left side.
I'm pretty sure that the left side (driver side) axle is always the shorter one. Definitely the shorter one on a manual transmission.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 15, 2020, 01:47:59 pm
You're correct, Pat.  There are 3 different lengths for the Fiero.  The left axle is shortest on both manual and automatic transmissions.  The next shortest is the right side for an automatic and the longest of all is the right side for a manual. 

Michael, I think I see what looks like an angled spline in the top picture above.  But all axle splines are straight cut. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 15, 2020, 01:51:01 pm
Well, I hope these fit.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 15, 2020, 02:01:35 pm
Judging by every listing image I've found, the axle you show as being the one you received for a left axle is for a manual transmission.  The left axle for an automatic has internal splines at the tripot end. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 15, 2020, 02:04:10 pm
Joy.  My set had internal splines on the short axle.

The left axle did fit into the transmission.  Only the splines had an issue at the hub.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 16, 2020, 05:37:30 pm
The axles are in. They fit.  No more shaking.  That is the good news.

The bad news is that both sets were the exact same part numbers.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 18, 2020, 06:55:01 pm
The plastic circuits in the instrument panel were shorting.  So, replaced the IP.  Moved all the gauges over, as well as the odometer.  Everything worked...sortof.  the e-brake light sometimes works.  When it stays on. Moving the lever up and down resets it.  The temp gauge seems to have different issues.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 18, 2020, 09:21:15 pm
To get to the pushrod, the upper intake had to come off, including the fuel block.  The seals on the fuel block had deteriorated, so new seals were installed.  Not very impressed with the prior seals, which were green.  Maybe cyan.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 20, 2020, 07:32:30 pm
Some of you may remember from the Fall tour that I wasn't happy with the loom for the EGR wiring.  Here is how the wiring looks, now:


Further back:


Now, I'm not happy with how the plug wires sit.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 22, 2020, 06:04:03 pm
My keyless entry is now working, again.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 23, 2020, 06:01:47 pm
..and I got a citation from the gestapo!  Joy.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 23, 2020, 06:02:33 pm
Does it make a difference which plug wire is next to which?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 23, 2020, 09:08:48 pm
Sometimes it can on some engines.  A small block Chevy's 5 and 7 cylinders are on opposite strokes.  When 5 fires, 7 is just starting compression.  If 5 crossfires or the spark jumps inside the distributor, it can blow the wall out of 7.  The Fiero doesn't have that problem due to firing swapping back and forth between cylinder banks and no 2 cylinders that are side by side fire in sequence.

I'm not sure about DIS conversions because you have 'wasted spark' with 2 cylinders firing at once.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 27, 2020, 05:18:49 pm
The plug wire routing is a bit better, now, and the black grime has been scrubbed off:


Unfortunately, that nice new loom that was just put in is now just as melted as the loom it replaced:


Very frustrating!  There is some loom in the engine bay that seems to be impervious to the engine bay temperatures, but this stuff melts at the thought of engine bay temperatures!  Maybe I need some better loom.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 27, 2020, 07:54:44 pm
There is loom cover that's specifically made to withstand engine bay temperatures.  Most likely what you have there is the type used in the interior wiring.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Wreck It Ralph on November 27, 2020, 08:01:36 pm
Something like this. Good to 247°F

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TWB5MKD/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_imm_t1_keAWFbSYR500B
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 27, 2020, 08:06:21 pm
I bought this:
https://www.wiringproducts.com/3-4-inch-nylon-wire-loom-tubing

Supposed to be good to 300F
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 27, 2020, 08:22:09 pm
That location shouldn't have realized 300* f.  I think they sent you the wrong stuff.  Are any other pieces melted? 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 27, 2020, 08:29:59 pm
No.  I have a bunch of loom, in there.  This piece runs over the exhaust.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Wreck It Ralph on November 27, 2020, 08:45:55 pm
You win!
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 27, 2020, 08:48:06 pm
Fairly sure I lost.  It was rather disheartening, seeing that loom all melted, again.

Maybe some of that heat wrap would help.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Wreck It Ralph on November 27, 2020, 09:11:47 pm
Is that from the past leak? Isn’t that corrected now?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 27, 2020, 09:13:40 pm
Leak?  It's just melted loom.  At the moment, there don't seem to be any leaks.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 27, 2020, 09:35:58 pm
Leak=the EGR gasket leak. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 27, 2020, 09:38:00 pm
The EGR is not currently leaking.  As far as I can tell.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 28, 2020, 09:58:24 am
The melted part of the loom is about an inch above where the leak was.  The melted part appears to correspond to the EGR tube.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on November 28, 2020, 10:12:35 am
Originally, I think the wires from the coil to the distributor that were in that area had a woven insulating sleeve over them. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 28, 2020, 10:30:17 am
I have several feet of that left, so maybe...
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 21, 2020, 09:22:42 pm
I'm trying this again, with the loom.  I got high-temp loom, which has a grey stripe on it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 06, 2021, 07:02:31 pm
I have red plug wires, but am not stuck on them.  Any better color?  Blue and yellow are out.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 06, 2021, 08:55:38 pm
The high-temp looms are installed.  Unfortunately, I can't really test, until after a few rains.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 07, 2021, 05:28:14 pm
My AC compressor has 2 leaks, so needs to be replaced.  Gotta love these parts that don't last 2 years.

I am concerned about testing the AC with temps in the 30's.  I had always been told not to run the AC below 40 degrees.  The heater is running in the garage, so hopefully it warms up.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 07, 2021, 05:50:05 pm
Melanie's Beretta GT said not to use the AC below 40, but any car with AC that gets the defroster activated will run the AC compressor in that mode.  The AC helps to remove moisture from the outside air so that it isn't deposited on the inside of the windshield.  As we drive in the wintertime, the windows fog up with just the heater mode activated.  In part, it's moisture from our body and breath but also moisture brought in from outside air. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 07, 2021, 06:01:10 pm
The garage temp shows 67 degrees.  I'll leave the heat on.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on January 07, 2021, 06:12:21 pm
Below 40 degrees, the pressure of the refrigerant is usually too low to energize the cycle switch for the compressor to run, so it should be OK to run defroster at any temperature. In the case of a variable displacement compressor (like the V5 used in the 87-88 duke Fiero), the displacement adjuster basically sets the displacement to zero below 40 degrees, so even though the compressor spins, it doesn't pump anything.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 07, 2021, 06:16:01 pm
Ah.  Are most newer compressors variable?

So, if it was home AC, running the AC for a few minutes may be OK, but leaving it on would be bad?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on January 07, 2021, 06:28:33 pm
I'm not sure which cars used the variable displacement compressor, but the 3800 swap in my white Fiero uses one. Actually, the same kind of compressor as in my 88 duke Fiero.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on January 07, 2021, 07:24:33 pm
Home AC probably isn't going to be set below the outside winter temperature, especially if it's below 40*. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 07, 2021, 07:35:06 pm
Maybe not, but you have to test the AC, somehow.
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Post by: Raydar on January 07, 2021, 07:51:54 pm
Maybe not, but you have to test the AC, somehow.

We are in the finishing stages of an addition that we are adding to our (new-old) house.
The HVAC guy asked me to call him when we are ready to switch on the A/C. Said it was not a good idea to turn it on when it's cold out. He wants to be here in case there are any surprises.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 10, 2021, 09:56:57 am
I'm going to try MSD plug wires.  The current plug wires are performance wires.  The MSD set should be interesting.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 12, 2021, 07:56:23 pm
Well, the GTRS Fiero got new e-brake cables.  One of the springs broke, so new springs, too.

I think the e-brake switch is bad.
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Post by: Wreck It Ralph on January 12, 2021, 08:54:17 pm
Fiero store just sent me an email with the e-brake sensor in it.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 12, 2021, 08:54:56 pm
Huh?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 12, 2021, 08:55:22 pm
Oh.  A link to it.  I have one.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 14, 2021, 08:17:14 pm
I was going to drive my Fiero home today, but then it started raining.  By the time I got outside, the "rain" was bounding off my truck.  So, no Fiero.  The weather is forecast to turn bad, so probably jo Fiero for a few weeks.

At least the rain should have washed some of the liquid salt away.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 15, 2021, 06:19:57 pm
I forgot about the starter.  It arrived today, so I guess I should install it.

Darn weather!
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 16, 2021, 10:23:08 am
We found a vacuum leak at the tiny line under the upper plenum.  My Fiero has power, again!
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 16, 2021, 01:59:16 pm
The MSD plug wires are in.  The wires had to be trimmed a bit, and are much thicker than the previous wires.

What do you think?
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Post by: Fierofool on January 16, 2021, 04:13:28 pm
That's nice.  The engine bay is very neatly done.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 16, 2021, 04:35:36 pm
Thanks.  I still need to figure out the exhaust.  Whenever it's apart, no jetcoating available.  They have a 3-month backlog.
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Post by: The Art Doctor on January 19, 2021, 08:10:14 pm
Im sure there are a few extra sets of exhaust manifolds laying around these parts.  Get some spares and add them to the wait list and before you know it 3 months will pass and you have them ready to go.
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Post by: The Art Doctor on January 19, 2021, 08:11:04 pm
Oh yeah, and them plug wires do look fat, in a good way.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 19, 2021, 08:15:09 pm
Im sure there are a few extra sets of exhaust manifolds laying around these parts.  Get some spares and add them to the wait list and before you know it 3 months will pass and you have them ready to go.

Well, I have 2 extra sets.  One set is half-fixed, but will require more welding and the hole-saw; the other set needs the whole shebang.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 19, 2021, 08:16:34 pm
Oh yeah, and them plug wires do look fat, in a good way.

I'm very happy with how the plug wires turned out.  I'm not so happy that the first 3 times, the plug wires were done by people who did a sloppy job.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 22, 2021, 09:19:04 pm
I have steel strut covers, but Rodney's aluminum covers arrived today.  Initially, when he and I spoke, I had turned these down.  I don't recall why.  We'll see.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 24, 2021, 10:29:58 am
The new transmission pan gasket looks and seals great.

The goal is to get everything buttoned back up today, before the weather (and salt) hit the roads.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 24, 2021, 11:13:24 am
The AC compressor and gear-reduction starter are in!
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 24, 2021, 05:35:44 pm
Well, all but the dash and cruise control is back together.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 27, 2021, 08:30:54 pm
Was going to get my Fiero, but there is dandruff all over the place!  Well, not near my Fiero.

Maybe in a few more days...
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 29, 2021, 06:02:24 pm
For Christmas, my wife bought me a car camera.  This is a different brand from one I had previously used.  This particular camera requires the wiring, memory stick, and mount to be purchased separately.

Question is, is this worth installing in my Fiero?

I was not very pleased with the last camera, and returned it.  It failed in my time of need.
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Post by: Fierofool on January 29, 2021, 08:08:54 pm
My personal choice for a camera, especially for a Fiero, would be one that I could attach to the rear window and would record both front and rear views. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 29, 2021, 08:11:34 pm
This camera does record both views.  It can attach to the rear window.
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Post by: The Art Doctor on January 29, 2021, 11:40:57 pm
I have a cop friend that said I'm nuts for not having one.  They dont believe a word you say in court anymore without footage.  Sad.  Another friend used his footage in court to show a judge footage of a corrupt cop hassling him with no wrongdoing.  He was given an apology and case dismissed. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 30, 2021, 12:57:47 am
Yeah, it's amazing.  Criminals can commit crimes with impugnity.

I once had a Camaro stolen from me.  My camaro was parked on one street, and theirs on a nearby street.  On Autozone's camera, the crooks were raking parts from my Camaro, and putting the parts in their Camaro.  They walked right past the cop, who was the guard for Autozone.  It was ruled that, since none of my parts had my SSN on them, too bad for me.  I asked the judge if he routinely disassembled his vehicles to label them with his SSN, to allow them to steal his identity, as well.  The judge ruled me in contempt, and let the crooks go.

I guess that covers that.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 31, 2021, 07:39:51 pm
My Fiero is back together, but I don't want to drive it in the salt.  I also don't want to flat-bed it, for optics reasons.  Is the salt risk less, if I flat-bed it?
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Post by: Fierofool on January 31, 2021, 08:33:21 pm
If you could get a flatbed trailer with a short headboard, seems it would be practically negligible.  As soon as you get to your destination and while it's still on the trailer, pressure wash underneath.  A drive-on rail trailer would allow the tow vehicle's spray to come up underneath.  I've also seen full width mudflaps on the backs of trucks to prevent or reduce roadspray.   
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 31, 2021, 10:27:36 pm
Below freezing, here, so not really wanting to play with water.  I think my Fiero stays put for a few more days.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 02, 2021, 09:38:52 pm
New problem.  The cruise module may be bad.  Mine has the AR module, so on the lookout for such a module.
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Post by: Wreck It Ralph on February 02, 2021, 10:01:39 pm
I’m parting out the 86 gt. Would that possibly have the module you need? If so send me a photo for reference.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 02, 2021, 10:02:57 pm
No.  Mine has a digital cruise.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 05, 2021, 05:04:54 pm
They're pouring salt all over the roads again (sigh), so my Fiero will be staying put.  Additionally, the wind is really blowing, so the garage will be cold.  There is a heater, but it's more like wishful thinking.

While my Fiero is unavailable, I'm thinking what else it may need.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 07, 2021, 09:29:39 am
Since this came up elsewhere, I thought I'd post this.

My Fiero has poly bushings everywhere.  Tri-links, control arms, sway bar--everything.  No squeaks.  No harsh ride.  I would call the ride "firm".  Actually, when driving over bumps, since it seems you're sitting on the ground, people tend to raise their butt off the seat, the first time or two.  You can tell that you drove over the bumps, but the ride from the seat is much better than driving over those same bumps in my truck.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 07, 2021, 01:03:18 pm
The weather is a non-balmy 3 degrees, or -7 with the wind chill.  The wind has calmed quite a bit, from the 26 degrees with a biting wind we had yesterday.  The garage heaters ran on full all night, meaning it's about 10 degrees in the garage.  I brought in 12 more space heaters.  We'll see how warm it is on Tuesday.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 10, 2021, 06:57:39 pm
The space heaters got the temp up to 50 degrees, which should be warm enough to test the AC.

While the salt is out, my Fiero is in.  I'm looking at replacing the coolant tubes.  I'm guessing the tubes have to come out in their entirety.  Joy.
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Post by: Fierofool on February 10, 2021, 07:03:43 pm
Someone had said that you have to have the car up on a lift to remove them.  If it's a 2 post lift, you still couldn't drop them down and maneuver them out.  It would need to be a single-center post lift.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 10, 2021, 07:06:02 pm
Hmmm.  I'm not that lucky.
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Post by: Fierofool on February 10, 2021, 07:59:29 pm
I would send Steve  pm or email and get his opinion.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 12, 2021, 08:06:16 am
These are the tubes I got:
http://rodneydickman.com/product_info.php?products_id=495
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Post by: Raydar on February 12, 2021, 10:33:57 am
I answered your PM. That's a nice kit!

Removing the 88 tubes is relatively easy.
Drain the coolant.
Remove the spare tire tub (really the hardest part).
Raise the car. Do not use the center pad of the front crossmember.
Remove the hose clamps and hoses.
Remove the plate (or whatever you want to call it) from the center of the front crossmember.
Remove the clamps from under the rockers.
Tubes should be free to drop out.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 12, 2021, 05:35:59 pm
Excellent!  Thanks for the detailed instructions.  My tube is slightly depressed, so could possibly be fixed.

Yes, I received your PM.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 12, 2021, 07:57:08 pm
Added the bracket that goes below the OPS.  At some point, that bracket had been removed, and not replaced.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 13, 2021, 10:25:06 am
Left my Fiero outside, last night.  This morning, it was -7 degrees.  The Fiero was not wanting to start, so we pushed the Fiero into the garage.  Tried again, after I thawed out.  Fiero started right up.

Maybe the cold start isn't that great.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 18, 2021, 06:21:14 pm
I guess my motivation to replace the coolant tubes took a bit of a dive.  The tubes had been sitting in my truck, which was outside.  I walked out, grabbed a tube with my bare hand, and the two instantly fused.  With some warm water, they were again separated, but I have fresh skin where I grabbed the tube.  Maybe I should wait for temps above zero.

Meanwhile, the e-brake switch was replaced.

I also cleaned most of the bug guts off the headlights.

There is still snow and salt out, so I'm fixing small stuff.
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Post by: Raydar on February 18, 2021, 06:55:18 pm
I guess my motivation to replace the coolant tubes took a bit of a dive.  The tubes had been sitting in my truck, which was outside.  I walked out, grabbed a tube with my bare hand, and the two instantly fused.  With some warm water, they were again separated, but I have fresh skin where I grabbed the tube.  Maybe I should wait for temps above zero.
...

They have these things, made from cloth or leather, or some super synthetic fabric, called "gloves".
I hear they work pretty well.

All kidding aside, I didn't use to bother with gloves, that much. Now, I wear them frequently. The older you get, the less discomfort you're willing to put up with.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 18, 2021, 07:02:08 pm
The gloves were in my pocked, mere inches from my hand
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 18, 2021, 07:12:13 pm
These are my all-purpose gloves.  Insulated, waterproof (other than the wrist), and not overly bulky.  They work great for snowball fights, grabbing things from the oven, or just winter gloves.  They work OK for gardening, but I have a different set I prefer for that.



That having been stated, they are much more bulky than cloth gloves, and even than my leather gloves.  They don't work with touch screens.  They absorb gasoline odors terribly.  I have a hard time feeling things when working on the cars.  Trying to manipulate keys is difficult.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 21, 2021, 05:43:26 pm
Ugh.  This was actually on my Fiero!
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Post by: TopNotch on February 21, 2021, 09:39:34 pm
If I needed one of those, I'd get some suitable foam, such as carpet underlayment foam, and cut one out, paint it black if necessary, and glue it in place.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 21, 2021, 09:54:03 pm
See the next newsletter.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 24, 2021, 07:10:07 pm
My Fiero had been in a guy's garage for several months.  The other day, he commented that my Fiero was as much his as mine.

No, no.  He needs to get his own.

Apparently, his wife won't let him buy one, but taking mine would be OK.

Thankfully, my Fiero is now back home.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 26, 2021, 08:19:37 pm
Well, I couldn't find the AR cruise module, so I ordered all the similar modules.  I picked one such module up today.  Supposedly in the same family of modules.  We'll see if it works.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on February 28, 2021, 12:09:11 pm
On my drive, I made a few stops:









Between the last two pics, some entitled idiot saw me taking pictures, then swung around and parked less than a foot in front of my Fiero.  He thought it was hilarious, and flashed all sorts of stupid hand gestures at me.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 13, 2021, 08:19:40 am
New problem.  The cruise module may be bad.  Mine has the AR module, so on the lookout for such a module.

Modules on the way.  Apparently, a whole smorgasboard of them: AR, FB, V8, A, and one that has no such marking.  3 people contacted me, so thanks for that.  I'm hoping the parts get here soon.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 13, 2021, 06:45:14 pm


Would you look at that!  At least UPS delivers.

Well, now I have to wait for the rest of the stuff to arrive.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 20, 2021, 05:33:09 pm
I answered your PM. That's a nice kit!

Removing the 88 tubes is relatively easy.
Drain the coolant.
Remove the spare tire tub (really the hardest part).
Raise the car. Do not use the center pad of the front crossmember.
Remove the hose clamps and hoses.
Remove the plate (or whatever you want to call it) from the center of the front crossmember.
Remove the clamps from under the rockers.
Tubes should be free to drop out.

Exactly like that.  Going to replace that section of tube next week.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 20, 2021, 05:34:29 pm
The vacuum hose going to the transmission is hard and collapsed near the modulator, so will be replaced.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 27, 2021, 10:08:15 am
Coolant tube section replaced.  I'm hoping the flow is better.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 28, 2021, 02:31:07 pm
And the battery is dead.  45 CCA.  Not going to cut it.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 29, 2021, 05:49:59 pm
All back together and on the ground.  Stalls constantly.  Just to be sure the fuel wasn't low, we added 3 gallons of gasoline.  That did a whole lot of nothing.  No fuel leaks.

Going to check fuel pressure.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 30, 2021, 05:18:35 pm
Fuel pressure is 38, which seems a bit low.  Fuel pressure goes up when the throttle is opened.  Who knew?  I expected it to go down.
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Post by: TopNotch on March 30, 2021, 06:54:53 pm
Fuel pressure is 38, which seems a bit low.  Fuel pressure goes up when the throttle is opened.  Who knew?  I expected it to go down.
Assuming that the engine accelerates when the throttle is opened, the alternator will spin faster. If it's output is a bit low at idle, the fuel pump may not be getting enough current at idle, but will when you open the throttle.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on March 30, 2021, 07:13:27 pm
Hmmm.  My alternator certainly puts out low voltage at idle.  Thanks for the explanation.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 02, 2021, 07:14:56 pm
Coolant tube section replaced.  I'm hoping the flow is better.



What do you think would be the net effect of this?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 02, 2021, 07:20:24 pm
Back in November, I took my Fiero for a drive, but never anticipated the results.  Today, my Fiero returned home.  Yes, it had been home several times, previously, since that drive, but this is the first time in 5 months that is has been home, and the results of that drive repaired.  Yes, there were other factors, but now the exhaust leaks, transmission fluid leaks, vacuum leaks, and coolant flow issues have all been resolved.  All told, my Fiero had been home 9 days of the last 5 months.  Probably 3 days per week, work was done on my Fiero.  I'm not claiming that progress was made, but not for a lack of trying.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 03, 2021, 09:41:42 am
My left headlight stopped going up.  I went to check on the motor, and the knob on top spins freely.  I suspect a motor rebuild is in my future.
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Post by: TopNotch on April 03, 2021, 12:31:28 pm
Probably those little torque pins inside the motor. For a quick replacement, buy a hot glue gun stick, cut pieces of it to the appropriate length, and use them for new torque pins.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 03, 2021, 12:34:52 pm
I do have a brand new set of headlight motors...somewhere.  I've never used them, other than to plug them in and make sure they worked.  That was years ago.  I just wish I knew where I put that box.
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Post by: Fierofool on April 03, 2021, 02:27:53 pm
Rodney sells the Delrin bushings for them.  About $5 last time I bought some.  The thing about the left motor is that they're easy to replace.  I just did my right motor and the rib on the edge of the gear is behind the screw shaft of the motor.  You must really pry to get it out.  But once it's out, you can use a triangular file or turn a flat-file on edge and file notches in line with the spaces between the teeth on the gear.  About 5 or 6 notches is sufficient to allow the shoulder of the gear to slide past the screw gear when aligned with it. 
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 03, 2021, 07:04:15 pm
And there is a puddle.   :(

And the AC doesn't work.   >:(
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 05, 2021, 06:41:41 pm
The AC had lost its vharge.  It took a charge, but is clunking and clacking.

Dunno what to do about the oil leak.  It is coming from by the oil pump drive.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 05, 2021, 08:47:19 pm
I do have a brand new set of headlight motors...somewhere.  I've never used them, other than to plug them in and make sure they worked.  That was years ago.  I just wish I knew where I put that box.

I found them.  Of course, not while looking for them.  I was looking for something else.  Still did not find the other thing for which I'm looking.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 09, 2021, 10:08:51 pm
So, the AC is working.  The compressor was replaced under warranty.

I replaced the problem headlight motor.  Will replsce the other motor when I get around to it.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 10, 2021, 09:54:45 am
The pressure switches on the AC compressor fell apart, so were replaced.  I guess age was a factor, but those switches apparently aren't supposed to be moved between compressors very often.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 10, 2021, 06:15:48 pm
Well, it wouldn't stop raining on me, but here are the motors, installed.



Somewhere in the process, I lost my 1/4" drive ratchet wrench.   :(
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 11, 2021, 07:43:05 pm
My son and I went for a short drive in my Fiero, today.  I took a video of part of the drive.  I'd share the video, but don't contribute to youtube.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 11, 2021, 08:09:18 pm
Here is the cruise module installed in my Fiero.  My cruise doesn't currently work, but I suspect a ground or TPS issue.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 15, 2021, 06:20:56 pm
Replaced the broken ground strap.  Adding a strap to the cruise module.

One of the AC compressor switches was making the fan run constantly, so that is being replaced.  The AC was done by a shop, so they have my Fiero, until that's fixed.  Joy.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 16, 2021, 07:36:26 pm
Now the GTRS Fiero has bump stops:
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 16, 2021, 07:37:39 pm
While I was under there, I noticed this rusty thingy:


I'm not sure how to get that back on, if I take it off.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 27, 2021, 09:31:04 pm
The text on my passenger-side mirror is not parallel to the ground.  This fact triggers my OCD.

Is your side mirror text level, or angled?
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Post by: TopNotch on April 27, 2021, 09:50:33 pm
The text on my passenger-side mirror is not parallel to the ground.  This fact triggers my OCD.

Is your side mirror text level, or angled?
My white car -- angled up slightly. My yellow car -- angled down slightly. I may try shimming them.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 27, 2021, 09:51:06 pm
Not the mirror--the text on the mirror.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 30, 2021, 06:02:04 pm
What are the symptoms of having a smaller tube between the FPR and the MAP sensor?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 02, 2021, 12:49:25 pm
Here is a picture of the angled text on my right side mirror:
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 08, 2021, 08:09:22 pm
Two totally different vehicles.



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Post by: TopNotch on May 08, 2021, 10:09:51 pm
My mirror appears to have straight text...
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 08, 2021, 10:11:35 pm
Yes.  That is what I want.  I see such a glass on ebay (at least, it appears that way).
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 21, 2021, 06:38:22 pm
My center caps have started to lose a bit of the black lettering/logo.  Is there a good way to stop this?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 21, 2021, 07:22:12 pm
Here is an image of what I see:


Obviously, despite the best efforts of the logo to retain its position, it is being reduced to nothing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: TopNotch on May 21, 2021, 10:45:52 pm
In the old days, you could remove the old ones, and get replacement decals from Fierosails.com. I'm not sure if they can do that now.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 21, 2021, 10:53:24 pm
Unfortunately, mine aren't decals.  Even if I installed new center caps like these, how long would they last?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on May 22, 2021, 09:41:01 am
Two responses:  Small vacuum line between MAP and FP regulator.  I don't know for sure but my theory is that the smaller line can't vacate the air inside the FP regulator fast enough and you get a little stumble on acceleration.  That's what's happening with me after changing to stainless lines.

Center caps:  You may be able to protect them by over spraying them with an aluminum clearcoat.  It seems the only new center caps available are plain.  Mine deteriorated so I just polished them out and sprayed them with AlumaClear.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2021, 10:15:27 am
There are these caps:
https://www.fierostore.com/Product/Detail.aspx?s=67616%20%20%20%20%201

Did your caps have the logo, or were they plain?

My Fiero was running great on the stainless line, a few months ago, but yes, I think there is room for improvement.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2021, 10:16:19 am
I kindof wish that my caps were the same color as the wheels.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on May 22, 2021, 10:43:32 am
My original center caps had the logo.  I have a full set of plain caps that I've had for years.  I think I got them for one of my 85's but never installed them.  If TFS caps are printed, they could also be protected by over spraying with clear.  You must be careful with overspraying a decal.  It's possible the clearcoat could melt the decal. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2021, 10:52:28 am
I'm fairly sure my caps aren't decals, but not sure.  I could always test on the damaged caps, I guess.

Somewhere, I do have a set with "Fiero GT" decals.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on May 22, 2021, 11:37:24 am
The way that one pictured is flaking off, it's printed, not a decal.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2021, 11:38:53 am
Is that better or worse?
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on May 22, 2021, 01:10:59 pm
Printed would be better if the correct ink is used that will properly adhere to the cap.  Also, ink/paint cures and could be more resistant to an overcoat.  Using an overcoat on a vinyl decal can cook and wrinkle the vinyl if the overcoat is too 'hot' as we called it in the printing industry.  It would need to be an overcoat that dries very quickly. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2021, 01:17:16 pm
Likely, the factory caps were also printed.  The factors caps exhibit the same issue.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on May 22, 2021, 01:28:36 pm
Better printing inks are available today.  Epoxies adhere well to metal as do the modern UV cured inks if the proper ink is used.  The choice of the two is based upon the production speed and quantity.  Epoxy is very slow drying and requires a place to cure.  UV is instantly cured when passed underneath an ultraviolet light.  In my early days of printing, we used solvent-based inks, and they were loaded with lead which helped with opacity.  It's been a while since I've done printing, but as I was leaving the industry UV inks were the most common, and water-based inks were being phased in.  EPA regulations.  The water-based inks didn't go over so well, having a lot of shortcomings. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2021, 01:39:08 pm
"Proper ink" seems to be more of a political thing.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: Fierofool on May 22, 2021, 01:46:29 pm
By proper ink, I mean one that is designed for the substrate it's to be used on.  Acrylic ink on plexiglass, catalyzed polyester on polycarbonate, enamel or epoxy on metal, acid etch on glass, and vinyl on decal material.  For example, the incorrect ink to use on vinyl banner material or any vinyl would be enamel.  It will never dry. 
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 22, 2021, 01:48:32 pm
Ah.

Of course, engraving could work on the center caps.
Title: Re: My '88 Fiero - The Never-Ending Saga
Post by: harley43 on September 07, 2021, 06:07:58 pm
Interesting read.  Thanks for sharing.