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Title: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: f85gtron on May 26, 2015, 06:13:45 am
I've got the ar digital cruise installed and plumbed up. All I have left is wiring, but I'm running into different wiring instructions. My car is running with the 7730, so the 4000 vss from the ecm is correct for the cruise, so no buffer needed, but what about this relay vs non relay wiring method?  Anybody try this yet?


I figured out a way to adopt the cable, using hardware from my daughter's bike ;)

Title: Re: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: Fierofool on May 26, 2015, 08:32:14 am
Cruise control?  With Atlanta traffic, we hardly ever get fast enough to use it.  Where do you turn it on?
Title: Re: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: f85gtron on May 26, 2015, 11:53:45 am
Lol!
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Post by: f85gtron on June 08, 2015, 07:07:50 am
I've got the cruise wired up and test-lighted out good, but it doesn't work. I skipped a step with the pedal switches, cutting the wires there.  I thought it might work without it. Gonna go back in and complete the instructions fully this time.
Ron
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Post by: f85gtron on June 24, 2015, 10:29:59 am
The step i skipped was the key. Everything works....with the exception of it cancels every time I use my right blinkers!  I hooked up the brake sensor to the combo turn/brake light (it's a notchie......fast backs don't have that problem).  I just have to wire up a relay to go closed when the brake switch goes open. No worries.
The cruise is so smooth, I thought it wasn't working a couple times and kept canceling it and resuming. It holds speed dead on with smooth adjustments. Night and day difference from vacuum cruise!  Definitely worth while. 
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Post by: scottb on January 22, 2017, 11:56:27 am
Hey Ron, do you have the instructions for this? I tried to get them off of Ryans website but apparently my computer doesnt play well with his site. Thanks, Scott
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Post by: f85gtron on January 22, 2017, 03:12:10 pm
Try this pdf
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Post by: scottb on January 22, 2017, 04:48:13 pm
Thank you sir
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Post by: f85gtron on January 22, 2017, 09:15:03 pm
If you have a third brake light, i think you can steal a signal from that and skip the relay. I had to use the relay because mine's a notchie without the third brake light.
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Post by: scottb on January 23, 2017, 12:13:23 pm
Yes, i have a 3rd brake light...... what would change in the wiring? Thanks, Scott
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Post by: f85gtron on January 23, 2017, 12:31:18 pm
Instead of the relay,.you'd splice the third brake light signal wire and run it to terminal "G" on the digital cruise terminal. That should satisfy the normally open brake signal requirement.
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Post by: f85gtron on January 23, 2017, 12:39:03 pm
Scott, check this out too, if you haven'talready
http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/digcruise.html (http://www.fieros.de/en/articles/digcruise.html)
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Post by: scottb on January 23, 2017, 06:09:34 pm
Thanks Ron
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Post by: scottb on January 24, 2017, 05:56:42 pm
Ive looked at both sets of instructions...... what is the deal with the speed o meter? does the vss output need to be change or not. Seems to be very confusing to me.

 
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Post by: scottb on April 14, 2017, 06:01:32 pm
does anyone have a line on the wiring ends that go up into the speedometer connector. I have been looking for the part number t hat is called out in Olivers instructions and cant find them anywhere. If not, does anyone have an idea on how to get the speedometer signal down to where the cruise module is located? Im starting to think that wiring is like Jose Cuervo........ anit no friend of mine.
Thanks Scott
Title: Re: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: f85gtron on April 15, 2017, 07:18:46 am
Ive looked at both sets of instructions...... what is the deal with the speed o meter? does the vss output need to be change or not. Seems to be very confusing to me.
I'm sorry Scott, i must have missed this post. I didn't see it until you posted the next one.....
Looks like the buffer might be in order to clean the signal up. It needs to be a certain type signal (either square or sine) for the cruise control to pickup on it. I built a buffer for my Speedo when I installed the f23 and it's really easy.

Does yours have factory cruise originally?  I used the original wiring as much as possible because I already had factory cruise.  I stole the Speedo signal off the connector under the armrest, if I remember right, then ran it via jumper wire up the tunnel to the front where the cruise brains used to be by my ft.
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Post by: scottb on April 15, 2017, 09:08:27 am
No worries Ron

According to Oliver's write up, you dont need a buffer if you jumper the signal on the back of the speedometer. He says to jumper off of a pin on the board to an unused slot on the connector. Apparently the terminals in the connector were available after market at one time, but not anymore that I can find. I think I am going to hook a wire up to the back of the board and use a connector thingy to be able to disconnect it if I ever have to take the speedometer out again. Not sure if this makes sense...... I have a fine collections of hammers, I will fix it one way or the other.
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Post by: f85gtron on April 15, 2017, 11:56:43 am
No worries Ron

..... I have a fine collections of hammers, I will fix it one way or the other.

THAT'S THE SPIRIT!
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Post by: scottb on April 15, 2017, 05:39:09 pm
Ok Ron, more confusion on my end...... It says to cut the yellow and black wire at the cruise brake switch and run that to the brown wire on the clutch switch. Cut the yellow/black or jumper it to the brown clutch switch? If the yellow/black is cut that leaves 2 yellow wires in 1 terminal of the brake switch? Makey no sense to me. Which way is correct.... or do I get the hammers?
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 15, 2017, 05:50:10 pm
Get the hammers.  Go to the mattresses.
Title: Re: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: f85gtron on April 15, 2017, 08:21:12 pm
Ok Ron, more confusion on my end...... It says to cut the yellow and black wire at the cruise brake switch and run that to the brown wire on the clutch switch. Cut the yellow/black or jumper it to the brown clutch switch? If the yellow/black is cut that leaves 2 yellow wires in 1 terminal of the brake switch? Makey no sense to me. Which way is correct.... or do I get the hammers?
That's the part i skipped because it sounded wonkey at best, but after an unsuccessful non-victorious lap around the expressway, I decided to throw caution to the wind and do as Oliver says.  My next lap was victory lap and all is well.  It works somehow.
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Post by: scottb on April 17, 2017, 04:35:59 am
Almost done. I still need to figure out where to pick up the brake signal from. I would like to pick it up from outside the passenger compartment, just not sure which wire it is.

I have a couple of wires left over in the plugs too..... on the original connector terminal B (brown) is not used? And terminal C is black ground that is not used?

On the new connector I have nothing connected to terminals G, J and K. I believe he said J was for the dash light, did I miss something on G and K?

any and all advice is appreciated
Title: Re: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: f85gtron on April 17, 2017, 06:54:34 am
Hi Scott,
In the home stretch!
G will connect to the new brake signal relay term 30. It's a normally open circuit that has to show activity (close sometimes) to allow the rest of the cruise logic to initiate.

J-cruise light signal ground (not important)

K- Speedo signal (very important!)  Either snatch from ecm or back of Speedo.

Brake signal to relay (notchies)- i stole power from the trunk fan circuit in the trunk, then the brake signal from the interrupt solenoid, and the ground from the extra ground wire that wasn't being used in the original servo plug. I'll look for my notes and report back. I had to go outside the instructions a bit to get it to work. Standby......
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Post by: ron768 on April 21, 2017, 02:18:40 pm
So which point on the throttle body does the cruise control cable get attached to? The top with the throttle cable or the bottom one?
Title: Re: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: scottb on April 21, 2017, 05:46:42 pm
I think it is the bottom point.... the throttle cable goes from the bottom up so that when it pulls the throttle opens...... I can get a picture tomorrow and send it to your phone ( I still aint figured out to put pictures on this thingy)
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Post by: scottb on April 21, 2017, 05:55:38 pm
one more wire to go..... The only wire that is giving me difficulty is how to get the brake signal to the cruise module. Olivers instructions say to pull off the brake light...... That didn't make sense to me because using a turn signal would kill the cruise..... Ron and I were talking and he said the fastbacks have a different harness (1 wire each for the brake light and blinker) I didn't not know that since have I never had a fast back (Notchbacks Rule!) Since my car has the 3rd brake light I am going to pull a signal off of that to send to the new cruise module. What say ya'll?
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Post by: TopNotch on April 21, 2017, 08:11:48 pm
3rd brake light is the way to go.
Title: Re: Started digital cruise upgrade. any wiring advice?
Post by: f85gtron on April 21, 2017, 10:03:21 pm
So which point on the throttle body does the cruise control cable get attached to? The top with the throttle cable or the bottom one?

Did you just figure out why yours wasn't working? ;)
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Post by: f85gtron on April 21, 2017, 10:05:46 pm
Scott, I'm be thinking that the third brake wiring can be accessed around the e-brake. You might be able to splice in there.
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Post by: ron768 on April 22, 2017, 01:36:16 am
Not as of yet, but Im plugging away at it as I would really like it to work. I have power to all the wires when Im supposed to have it, so the problem must be with the cable. Unless Im really out in left field which could be true also.
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Post by: scottb on April 22, 2017, 05:38:12 pm
I wound up taking out the b pillar trim and the center console. Will tie into the 3rd brake light wire behind the b pillar, and will run it under the carpet and out a new hole behind the center console. Hopefully will finish that tomorrow and start reassembling the rest of the car. Should be ready for testing next week. Wish me luck.

Thanks, Scott
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Post by: scottb on April 23, 2017, 06:01:49 pm
So which point on the throttle body does the cruise control cable get attached to? The top with the throttle cable or the bottom one?

Hey Sarge, I sent a picture of my throttle body to your phone, let me know if that answers your question
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Post by: scottb on April 23, 2017, 06:02:56 pm
wiring is now complete, I have to put the rest of the car back together which will happen this week. Stay tuned for further testing
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Post by: scottb on April 28, 2017, 05:30:07 pm
and the first test drive was........ unsuccessful. I did not have any time to do some trouble shooting, I might be able to get to that tomorrow
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Post by: scottb on April 28, 2017, 07:58:56 pm
Shoot me an email @rnrockinroger@gmail.com and I'll send you some info that has long since been deleted.

done
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Post by: scottb on April 29, 2017, 08:51:01 pm
only trouble shooting that I could do by myself was to determine that I do have +12V at the connector.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 05, 2017, 11:55:21 pm
Scott and Ron, did you guys get your cruise working?
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Post by: scottb on September 06, 2017, 06:56:38 pm
I  have not, havent had the opportunity to troubleshoot yet. I believe Ron has his going. Im pretty sure his car is now a 3.4 with 7730 ecm.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 24, 2018, 03:33:41 am
Wiring advice?  Sure.  Cut the wires the correct length, or a bit long.  Avoid unnecessary splices.  Wire the module to the stock location on the trunk wall--not on the firewall.

Most importantly, start off with a working module.

What cable did you use, from the module to the throttle body?  Supposedly, there is one that fits, without mods.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 15, 2020, 11:58:57 pm
Not as of yet, but Im plugging away at it as I would really like it to work. I have power to all the wires when Im supposed to have it, so the problem must be with the cable. Unless Im really out in left field which could be true also.

Ron, did you get your cruise working?