Post by: Fierofool on July 20, 2018, 07:36:41 pm
Michael and I plan to be there about 10AM. Would any of you like to join us to try to get Aerodonamic ready so Michael can do some test flights before Run For The Hills?
Post by: Fierofool on July 21, 2018, 08:53:52 am
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 21, 2018, 08:56:40 am
Post by: TopNotch on July 21, 2018, 03:41:44 pm
Post by: Slyp on July 21, 2018, 04:02:47 pm
Post by: TopNotch on July 21, 2018, 04:24:32 pm
Post by: GTXVette on July 21, 2018, 07:09:51 pm
It's Fun to watch him cuss old cars.
Post by: Raydar on July 21, 2018, 11:20:32 pm
Please let me know, as soon as it's decided, when the next work session will be. I will do my best to be there.
Post by: Fierofool on July 22, 2018, 12:12:29 am
With that, we can attach the transmission and get ready to lift it into the car. If the weather will let me get my yard work done, I might be able to do another session next Saturday.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 22, 2018, 07:23:50 am
Post by: GTXVette on July 22, 2018, 08:00:55 am
Post by: Fierofool on July 22, 2018, 08:40:24 am
They are M10 x 1.5 x 60 hex bolts. Grade 9.8 and torque to 37 ft-lb. The diagram can be found on page 268 of the P22 parts manual. I give this information to save search time because it took me more than a half hour yesterday to find the diagram. It's in Chassis Group 9.0.
Post by: Fierofool on July 22, 2018, 08:43:23 am
Sometimes it takes a geek to figure this stuff out.
Pat, maybe I need to get you to take a look at the 85SE headlight problem. Right headlight goes up but not down. Everything has been replaced in the system. 12 V going to the motor on the DOWN circuit.
Post by: TopNotch on July 22, 2018, 10:54:23 am
Pat, maybe I need to get you to take a look at the 85SE headlight problem.
Old type or newer type?
Post by: MikeMac on July 22, 2018, 12:38:48 pm
By chance was the problem with the air that you fixed on the other car by chance be mine. If so what was the problem you found.
It was your car! Thanks to Pat.....
Post by: Slyp on July 22, 2018, 01:03:37 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 22, 2018, 02:12:55 pm
Old type or newer type?
Generation 1.
Post by: TopNotch on July 22, 2018, 08:21:27 pm
Old type or newer type?
Generation 1.
Refer to the drawing below. With the headlight open, connect the positive wire from a 12v battery or battery charger to the wire marked with a red +. Connect the negative wire to the wire marked with a green -. If the headlight goes down, the problem is the relay. If it doesn't go down, the problem is the motor, or the wiring to the motor.
Post by: Fierofool on July 22, 2018, 09:40:50 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 25, 2018, 11:31:51 pm
Post by: GTXVette on July 26, 2018, 10:57:14 am
Post by: Slyp on July 26, 2018, 03:17:02 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 26, 2018, 04:04:37 pm
Post by: Slyp on July 26, 2018, 04:13:15 pm
Post by: Raydar on July 26, 2018, 05:36:01 pm
I'll try to be on time. Remember, I'm coming from DNA. (That's "Damn Near Alabama.")
Have we got all the required bits and pieces?
Post by: Fierofool on July 26, 2018, 06:35:48 pm
Forecast for Saturday is low to mid 70's in the morning and about 90 in the late afternoon. Sunny. No rain.
Post by: MikeMac on July 27, 2018, 08:31:36 am
Post by: MikeMac on July 27, 2018, 08:49:52 am
I know it's late notice, but Michael and I are going to try to get the Aerodonamic exhaust and transmission attached tomorrow, Saturday July 21. Raydar will be there if his schedule permits.
Michael and I plan to be there about 10AM. Would any of you like to join us to try to get Aerodonamic ready so Michael can do some test flights before Run For The Hills?
I'm not going to make RFTH, so don't throw in volunteer hours to get a car going that isn't going to make the run! The shop will be selling right around that time and I will have to make a lot of things happen on a very tight schedule.
Post by: GTXVette on July 27, 2018, 10:56:12 am
Post by: MikeMac on July 27, 2018, 11:50:58 am
YOU SAID SOMEONE WANTED THE BUILDING DID THAT HAPPEN. YOU COMING BACK UP HERE?The sale is supposed to go through in September. I can't come back up to Ball Ground Ga, that town ain't big enough for both of us!
PS...I found all the bolts you took off the engine and hid around the shop...I know you don't remember, but?
Post by: MikeMac on July 27, 2018, 11:59:03 am
Post by: Raydar on July 27, 2018, 02:22:02 pm
Post by: Raydar on July 27, 2018, 02:23:07 pm
I still don't mind looking at it, but I don't have room to keep it.
Post by: Fierofool on July 27, 2018, 04:07:35 pm
Post by: Raydar on July 27, 2018, 04:22:27 pm
Have the O-2 and Coolant Temperature Sensors been replaced?
On Bob's car?
I'll bring my scan tool. We'll likely be able to tell if one of the sensors is borked.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 27, 2018, 06:02:24 pm
Post by: MikeMac on July 27, 2018, 07:11:47 pm
Mike, what are you going to do with Fan's car?
I still don't mind looking at it, but I don't have room to keep it.
We are a month and a half from the proposed sale date and then I have a window of time to sell off inventory and clear out. I'm not shutting down until the check is in my hand. I don't trust my Landlords in the least.
Post by: MikeMac on July 27, 2018, 07:15:14 pm
Have the O-2 and Coolant Temperature Sensors been replaced?
They haven't. It idles better after cleaning the throttle body this afternoon but still smells rich to me.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 27, 2018, 07:28:52 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 28, 2018, 04:51:27 pm
Post by: Slyp on July 28, 2018, 05:58:44 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 28, 2018, 06:00:13 pm
Post by: Raydar on July 28, 2018, 06:34:51 pm
According to the timing light, it appears that the timing was waaaay advanced from where it should have been. (I'm surprised it didn't ping like hell, that way. But whatever... )
Once it was set to spec (+/-) it seemed to idle a lot better. Bob said it "ran like a striped ape". or words to that effect. :D
The fuel pump suddenly sounds like a dentist drill, but everything seems to work well. Mike is going to drive it around this weekend, to make sure it's happy. (The pulsator was removed, so that might have something to do with it. Or it may have shifted since it was installed. Hard to say. For comparison, my Fiero's fuel pump sounds like a Cessna, and it's been fine for over a year.)
The injectors appear to not be stock. Instead of a completely black body, the "discharge" end is silver. So who knows? Maybe the Fiero Store "Tomco" injectors.
Regardless... Bob said it used to run fine on those injectors, so I have a hard time believing that they suddenly started causing problems, out of the blue.
Mike poured a can of SeaFoam into a half of a tank of gas. That concentration should take care of any injector issues that occurred from sitting.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 28, 2018, 08:04:40 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 28, 2018, 09:10:02 pm
Post by: Slyp on July 29, 2018, 11:38:29 am
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 29, 2018, 12:18:37 pm
Post by: MikeMac on July 29, 2018, 09:24:10 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 29, 2018, 09:34:11 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 29, 2018, 09:41:26 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 29, 2018, 09:44:27 pm
Post by: Raydar on July 29, 2018, 09:48:02 pm
The weird thing about the noise is the intensity of the sound changes according to the electrical load. When you put on the turn signal it changes sound along with the flash. Same thing when you hit the brakes and the stop lights come on. Any ideas?
The sound is changing because the other stuff is drawing current, which is causing the voltage to the pump to sag just a bit.
You can measure the voltage at the FP fuse, in the fuse box.
With the box snapped up in it's normal position, it'll be the dark read fuse, nearest the edge of the dash, 2nd from the left.
If you REALLY want to be accurate, you can measure the voltage at the yellow plug, on the firewall, just above the tank. I forget which wires, though.
If the voltage is too low, it will cause the pump to draw excessive current. (Too low voltage can be as damaging as too high voltage, over time.)
I noticed that one of the fusible links had been replaced. If there's a bad connection on that link, it might be what's going on. The fuel pump fuse is always hot. So is the feed for the headlights, and lots of other stuff. I had that same link to act up on my car. A replacement fusible link had a bad connection that eventually failed. (Mine was the big red wire that disappeared under the sail panel, and went to the whole front of the car.)
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 29, 2018, 09:48:59 pm
Post by: MikeMac on July 30, 2018, 03:06:40 pm
Talked with Roger today about the coolant fan running. He said to disconnect the ground from the low-pressure switch. The cycle switch up front will take care of that function.
I cut the ground wire for the low pressure switch and there is no fan operation. The ac runs a few minutes until the high pressure switch cuts off the compressor.
Post by: Fierofool on July 30, 2018, 03:38:58 pm
How did the car perform over the weekend? Any stalling?
Post by: MikeMac on July 30, 2018, 04:10:01 pm
Does the fan work at all?
How did the car perform over the weekend? Any stalling?
I didn't run it long enough to see if the engine temp switch turns it on for cooling. It does not run during ac operation. It didn't stall at all over the weekend...close to 45 miles of driving.
Post by: Fierofool on July 30, 2018, 05:15:13 pm
Post by: GTXVette on July 30, 2018, 06:12:45 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 30, 2018, 06:59:30 pm
Post by: MikeMac on July 30, 2018, 07:36:18 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 30, 2018, 07:37:32 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 30, 2018, 09:39:04 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 05, 2018, 10:37:01 am
We are a month and a half from the proposed sale date and then I have a window of time to sell off inventory and clear out. I'm not shutting down until the check is in my hand. I don't trust my Landlords in the least.
Mike, just to clarify, are you moving, or closing the business permanently?
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 13, 2018, 03:22:34 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 13, 2018, 07:24:19 pm
Install rear sway bar.
Install inner console and trim.
Evacuate and charge AC system.
Wrap a portion of a wiring harness that had the plastic sheathing melted away.
Install the firewall heat shield.
Finish coolant fill.
Check and tighten rear suspension components.
Install air intake and filter housing.
Install cruise vacuum canister and engine bay cooling tubes.
Steve and Jason working with the C500 and the front battery connection.
Jordan and Jason connecting tank to engine fuel lines.
Jason, Steve and Mike trying to locate a ground connection point for the front mounted battery cable.
Mike and Steve both agree that it's not long enough to reach that connection point.
Finally! The starter is installed. When the 3.4 block was drilled and tapped for the starter, it wasn't in proper alignment. The starter was difficult to install, but with all hands on board, we finally got it.
After all that work, it Barked At Us. A little starting fluid in the intake and it fired but died. So add to the To Do List, a new fuel pump, which Mike already has on hand.
Others that were involved but camera-shy were Scott and Dave.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 13, 2018, 07:54:50 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 14, 2018, 09:37:18 am
Wouldn't it have made things easier to have cleaned the engine bay while the engine was out?
Post by: Raydar on October 14, 2018, 10:08:40 am
The throttle body liike clean. Interesting nuts on the strut bolts.
Wouldn't it have made things easier to have cleaned the engine bay while the engine was out?
The throttle body had tape over the mouth, in the pic that you can see. But it was quite clean.
Don installed "acorn" nuts on the the strut bolts, when he originally built the car. Mike said he really didn't want to modify it, from how Don had it.
The engine bay is really not dirty at all. Mostly dust. (The pics make it look worse than it is.) Don kept it spotless.
I really didn't do that much, due to still having stitches in my hand, but I barely got dirty after being there most of the day.
Once everything is screwed back together, a quick squirt from the hose will do wonders.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 14, 2018, 10:20:19 am
Does one of the sail panel windows need to be replaced?
Post by: Raydar on October 14, 2018, 10:24:37 am
Other than the unpainted front fascia, the whole car is quite nice, under all the dust, dirt, and tree sap, left from sitting in the yard.
A good wash will make it shine.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on October 14, 2018, 10:32:21 am
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 24, 2018, 03:08:06 pm
Post by: Raydar on November 24, 2018, 06:23:03 pm
...why the unpainted front fascia?
It was a replacement.
Post by: MikeMac on November 26, 2018, 08:42:01 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 26, 2018, 08:46:49 pm
Post by: Raydar on November 27, 2018, 08:04:09 am
I got it started last Tuesday before shutting down for Thanksgiving. Just a few misc things and then get it cleaned and detailed.
Excellent!
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 17, 2019, 06:27:44 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 17, 2019, 10:42:48 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 17, 2019, 10:51:27 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 05, 2019, 06:00:37 pm
There was an old TV show back in the '50s called "I've Got A Secret".
I may be old, but not that old. That was before my time.
How is the Aerodon car doing?
Post by: MikeMac on August 16, 2019, 09:06:40 pm
The "Interim Owner" had replaced the drivers side axle and I was concerned that it wasn't done correctly therefore the replacement. I left the rear sway bar unattached to see if that contributed to the handling issues I had while driving it home from the shop several months back. I will reattach the sway bar and see how it goes.
I plan on getting it tagged Monday so I can work out the remaining bugs.
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 16, 2019, 09:11:12 pm