Post by: TopNotch on June 14, 2014, 08:08:51 pm
Instead of our regular June meeting, we had a workshop to see if we could get it running...
Pictures from the June meeting and workshop on the project car...
When working on a Fiero engine, sometimes it's easier if you stand in the trunk.
It's Alive!!!
Post by: Fierofool on June 15, 2014, 09:55:08 am
Engine and throttle body trash. Notice the junk inside the throttle body.
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Aerodon working on the shifter.
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Sorting out the temperature gauge wiring.
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Aerodon and Redraif evacuating and recharging the AC system.
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Raydar splicing together some harness wires.
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The maiden voyage. Let's take it up the road.
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It made it back under it's own power. A very productive and rewarding day.
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Thanks to the Georgia Gang and the unseen man behind the camera, Fiero GTB.
Left to Right:
Darryl, TopNotch, David Brill, Ron768, Aerodonamic, Fierofool, Redraif, Tinkerbell, Roger, Ron768 1/2, Raydar.
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Post by: MetalBlue85GT on June 15, 2014, 05:34:27 pm
Look forward to seeing you in July.
Randy
Post by: Fierofool on June 16, 2014, 11:05:51 am
Automatic shift surround with good shift boot. (Charlie)
Air filter canister. (Charlie)
Thermostat housing cap. (Georgia Fieros)
Temp gauge sending unit with harness clip.
Spark plugs and wires.
Split plastic wire loom cover in various sizes to clean up engine bay wiring harnesses.
1 black plastic cap for the tail light screws.
Oil Filter. (Charlie)
Oil. (The club has oil in stock)
Black plastic lug nut covers. (Charlie-Maybe. I at least have a few.)
Paint job.
Powder coating of engine grills, mirrors and other parts.
Headliner re-covered.
Fuel filter.
Air filter.
Octane booster to increase octane of 3 year old fuel in the tank.
Post by: TopNotch on June 16, 2014, 12:06:51 pm
Post by: Fierofool on June 16, 2014, 08:03:30 pm
Today I spoke with one of the painters I had mentioned at Saturday's meeting and workshop. I will take him to Powder Springs one day next week to see the car and get his opinion and what he might charge to repaint the car. I also spoke with Mike Thies of South East Wheels, a website devoted to automobiles, shows and related information. Mike and Ron Rizzi were good acquaintances and Ron had worked some of Mikes shows, filling in as the event DJ. Mike is highly involved with Dixie Cruisers. I met Mike in the sound booth at the Winder Dixie Cruisers cruise in when Ron was DJ'ing and also Mike has been a regular participant when we were putting on the Auburn 4th of July and AuburnFest car show. Some of you will remember his red '56 Porsche Sporster.
I explained to Mike what we were doing and the difficulties we had had with the national organizations and I asked if he might be of help. He quickly called a friend of his who is the CFO for the Buford, Ga. American Legion. Troy Zavitz. Turns out Troy also knows the former Auburn Mayor's wife, of whom I also spoke of on Saturday.
Mr. Zavitz and his Legion Post apparently are involved with some of the younger Warriors coming back from the middle east. I was invited to meet with Mr.'s Thies and Zavitz this Wednesday afternoon. Fiero GTB is working up a press release to be put into a blog on South East Wheels and Mr. Thies has tentatively offered to have Georgia Fieros as a guest on his Garage 71 Motor Head Radio Program to promote our project and maybe develop some sponsors to help us with the major items.
I'll report back after my meeting with them.
Post by: Fierofool on June 21, 2014, 09:38:13 am
http://www.legionpost127.org/news1.php
Post by: Fierofool on July 04, 2014, 10:39:27 am
Should we have a couple hundred flyers printed up and distributed at the car show next week? Maybe set up a table to take donations?
Post by: Fiero GTB on July 04, 2014, 11:32:55 am
If you want to send me the flyer I'll be glad to print a couple hundred on my home printer.
FGTB
Post by: Fierofool on July 04, 2014, 12:22:23 pm
Post by: GrannyLinda on July 04, 2014, 07:10:57 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 04, 2014, 08:21:27 pm
Do You Want The Club Banner On The 12th. ?
I think it would be a good idea to hang it on one of our canopies, especially if we're able to solicit help for the Warrior Project.
Post by: ron768 on July 04, 2014, 11:20:50 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 15, 2014, 08:22:19 am
Post by: Roger on July 15, 2014, 01:16:15 pm
I'll have to check the air in the tires, grease the bearings and fix that d@#!% light.
Come and get it.
My dad will want it back ASAP.
Post by: MetalBlue85GT on July 15, 2014, 08:56:52 pm
Post by: Fierofool on September 25, 2014, 04:15:06 pm
The reason I'm posting here is because the trip is to pick up custom tires and wheels and some other new items for the Warrior Project car. A Pennocks member has a considerable amount of parts that he wishes to donate to the project.
Post by: Fierofool on September 26, 2014, 08:55:59 pm
Post by: f85gtron on September 28, 2014, 08:11:19 pm
Ron
Post by: Fierofool on September 28, 2014, 09:32:18 pm
Post by: f85gtron on September 29, 2014, 05:09:51 am
Post by: Fierofool on September 29, 2014, 10:10:05 am
Same tactic works with McDonalds. Order your fries with no salt. First thing they do when they pull out the fries is cover them with salt. They'll have to cook a fresh batch. Then when they hand them to you kindly ask them "Can I have some salt packets, please?" Salt to taste.
Do you work for Starbucks?
Post by: f85gtron on September 29, 2014, 01:02:46 pm
Do you work for Starbucks?No. But I did stay in a Holiday Inn last night. ;)
I work for Airgas Specialty Products. I live around there though.
Ron
Post by: Fierofool on September 29, 2014, 01:30:29 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 02, 2014, 02:51:34 pm
I have to inventory the rest that will be for sale and those items will be posted in The Market or Club Merchandise as soon as everything's cataloged and photographed.
In the meantime, here is a shot of the wheels.
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Post by: ron768 on October 03, 2014, 01:19:17 am
Post by: f85gtron on October 03, 2014, 04:51:52 am
Ron
Post by: Fiero GTB on October 03, 2014, 08:03:58 am
FGTB
Post by: Fierofool on October 03, 2014, 08:28:32 am
Post by: Roger on October 03, 2014, 03:26:46 pm
Wow, a big thank-you to Jediperk!Same here!
FGTB
And Thank You Fierofool for picking them up!
Post by: WV Mike on October 04, 2014, 12:31:12 am
Are those for sale? Wow! I can think of a little 85 silver notchie those Would look great on! Too bad the factory ride is so good, or i would have upgraded a long time ago. Those really catch my eye. Nice wheels.
Ron
You might consider looking at Drag dr-19 rims. They come in a variety of colors and sizes. I bought mine from discounttire.com
Here is a picture of them on my Formula:
Post by: f85gtron on October 04, 2014, 06:56:52 am
SCMIKE, I'm looking into them. Thanks
Ron
Post by: Fierofool on October 04, 2014, 05:58:33 pm
I think they're called Gunmetal and Titanium
http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/WheelCloseUpServlet?target=runWheelSearch&initialPartNumber=CE565510040BSATML&wheelMake=Sport+Edition&wheelModel=CE&wheelFinish=Bright+Satin+w%2FMachined+Lip&showRear=no&autoMake=Pontiac&autoModel=Fiero+GT&autoYear=1987&autoModClar=&filterFinish=All&filterSize=All&filterBrand=All&filterSpecial=false&filterNew=All&filterWeight=All&sort=Brand
Post by: f85gtron on October 04, 2014, 06:31:14 pm
Post by: TopNotch on October 04, 2014, 11:12:09 pm
Do you think the fiero hub button will fit in the middle?
If not, you can Paul McKibben (fierosails.com) make some custom decals to apply over the hub buttons, like I have on my yellow car.
Post by: aerodonamic on October 06, 2014, 09:02:52 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 07, 2014, 12:45:00 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 20, 2014, 06:37:07 pm
Post by: Fierofool on October 20, 2014, 07:23:00 pm
He was invited to attend our next meeting, so hopefully you all will get a chance to meet this gentleman.
Post by: Fierofool on October 23, 2014, 02:35:16 pm
Post by: Fierofool on January 13, 2015, 05:03:39 pm
Post by: pgackerman on January 13, 2015, 10:10:22 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 27, 2015, 11:08:29 am
No work has been done on the car since our initial get together, other than replacing a shorted oil pressure sender. We need to get this car fully roadworthy with the new wheels and tires and anything else we might find that needs to be corrected.
At the same time we work on the Warrior Project, we have the 86SE at the same location. No one is buying parts, so I suggest that if any member wants anything from it, we allow them to have it for free as a member benefit, rather than letting everything go to the crusher.
MAACO seems to be as non-responsive to helping as they are to complaints about their paint jobs. Even their corporate office doesn't answer their phone, so I've abandoned seeking their help and support.
The Disabled American Veterans office in Marietta has only provided one possible candidate and has quit responding to any other requests. I also contacted an individual with FisherHouse at Fort Gordon, referred to me by GrannyLinda. There has been no response from that individual, either. With the board and officer's approvals, I would like to offer the car to any needy DAV in a broader area of the Southeast and seek help from Pennocks members in finding someone.
Post by: TopNotch on March 28, 2015, 02:35:32 pm
Post by: Roger on March 28, 2015, 08:18:19 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 30, 2015, 10:11:24 pm
Post by: Roger on March 31, 2015, 06:07:39 pm
Post by: Fierofool on March 31, 2015, 07:02:20 pm
Post by: f85gtron on April 07, 2015, 09:27:20 am
Ron
Post by: Fierofool on April 07, 2015, 09:55:09 am
Post by: f85gtron on April 07, 2015, 01:08:38 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 07, 2015, 01:18:53 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 09, 2015, 05:45:07 pm
Paul has made some contacts at Ft. Gordon and they had a candidate that needed a car immediately, but it isn't ready. We may have lost that candidate but we need to get the car finished so we can hand it over to the next one that becomes available. Tim has also provided some contact information to maybe get the car painted, too.
Post by: Tha Driver on April 10, 2015, 02:33:33 am
Thanks,
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
Custom Fiberglass Parts (http://angelonearth.net/customfiberglass/)
Post by: Fierofool on April 10, 2015, 12:26:40 pm
Hopefully we are on our way to seeing this project completed and available to the next needy Veteran.
Post by: Fierofool on April 10, 2015, 04:10:50 pm
Post by: pgackerman on April 14, 2015, 09:31:38 pm
What needs to be done to the Warrior Project car?
What do we expect to accomplish/complete on the 25th?
What tools/parts are needed?
Can I bring guests the Club can encourage to become future Fiero owners?
Post by: Fierofool on April 14, 2015, 10:51:19 pm
Bring any and all tools you want and friends, too. I'll email the address to you. Just head out I-20 West. If you get to Alabama you've gone too far, but only by just a few miles. It's about a 3 hour trip for you.
Post by: f85gtron on April 16, 2015, 08:49:04 am
Post by: Fierofool on April 16, 2015, 09:20:35 am
Post by: scottb on April 16, 2015, 08:00:03 pm
Well, almost. There won't be any Gingers or Mary Anns, but more than likely a whole bunch of Gilligans.
Are you sure about that Skipper?
Post by: ron768 on April 19, 2015, 07:42:37 am
Post by: f85gtron on April 19, 2015, 09:56:22 am
Post by: pgackerman on April 19, 2015, 11:30:48 am
Post by: pgackerman on April 26, 2015, 08:29:10 pm
https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6142201435795410209 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6142201435795410209)
BTW, one of the backup lights is out... ???
Post by: f85gtron on April 26, 2015, 08:48:04 pm
Post by: pgackerman on April 26, 2015, 09:18:31 pm
Sad, 'cause I want those wheels.
Post by: Raydar on April 26, 2015, 10:12:33 pm
Gotta change the springs.
...
I've got a complete set of stockers. I don't know how much they will change the height.
If it's a harsh ride, but nothing is rubbing, it might be riding on the bump stops. They can be shortened by at least an inch with no ill effects. (Well... other than the possibility of the tires rubbing.)
Sorry I missed the festivities. Didn't know if it was on, or not, in view of all the dire weather forecasts.
Aside from that, our washing machine threw up on its shoes, on Saturday morning. Try finding washing machine parts on Saturday. (I did get lucky. Cost me $16 instead of $5, though.)
Post by: f85gtron on April 26, 2015, 10:24:31 pm
Post by: Fierofool on April 26, 2015, 11:22:45 pm
Post by: ron768 on April 26, 2015, 11:26:58 pm
Post by: Raydar on April 27, 2015, 05:38:51 am
It definitely had a set of dropped springs. Stock ride highth would be perfect with those big @ss wheels outs sitting on now.
It's my understanding that the car also has "dropped" ball joints. The stock springs will not return it to stock ride height, but will help. Should raise it about an inch, inch-point-five.
Post by: Fierofool on April 27, 2015, 07:44:37 am
Ron, the 88 springs won't fit an 85.
Post by: pgackerman on April 27, 2015, 04:21:24 pm
But they'll fit an 88 like mine and I wouldn't mind a more aggressive stance.
How much are we asking, or would it be an even swap?
Post by: Fierofool on April 27, 2015, 06:14:21 pm
Post by: Raydar on April 27, 2015, 08:01:24 pm
I'll throw in the fronts, or the entire set, if they'll be of use. They're not of any use to me.
Don't have the time or the space to do the work, just now, however.
Post by: f85gtron on April 27, 2015, 10:36:30 pm
Post by: ron768 on April 28, 2015, 02:39:14 pm
Post by: Raydar on April 28, 2015, 10:50:38 pm
I can take them by there, no problem. Is there usually somebody there?
Or I can bring them to the next meeting.
Post by: pgackerman on May 04, 2015, 07:54:44 pm
- Replace springs and/or tires
- Driver's door handle has a spring(?) hanging down. Doesn't give me the warm fuzzies regarding its longevity
- One of the backup lights is out
- Paint
- Re-install wipers
- Re-install molding around wipers
- Temp gauge never moved during the short drive
- Clean interior door panels
- Wasn't there something about the oil sender???
Anything else?
Post by: f85gtron on May 04, 2015, 08:29:18 pm
A hub centric ring needs ordered and installed for one of the wheels.
Post by: Fierofool on May 04, 2015, 09:08:04 pm
I spoke with the lady in Augusta, last week and the Marine candidate is still available. The lady at MAACO doesn't answer or return my calls after the initial contact, so I take that as a rejection to cosponsoring the project. We may just have to give it to him without painting.
Can we schedule another work day for May 23 and plan to do the springs on that day? Ron said he had a pair of spring compressors to make the job easier and so we don't have to go rent a pair.
10. Purchase and install new wiper blades
11. Allow engine to run long enough to activate cooling fan and temp gauge. Purchase new temp sending unit if necessary.
12. Change oil. I believe we have oil in the big tote full of supplies in Ron's garage. I brought a filter last time.
13. Clean engine and front compartments then treat with CD2 Engine Detailer for a good clean appearance.
14. I have purchased a full set of new hub centric rings. Install 1 on the left front and place the other 3 in the vehicle.
Post by: f85gtron on May 04, 2015, 11:52:56 pm
Post by: Tha Driver on May 05, 2015, 02:14:09 am
13. Clean engine and front compartments then treat with CD2 Engine Detailer for a good clean appearance.
Don't use ANY Armorall, silicone, or any detailer anywhere NEAR the car until after it's painted. Im' not familiar with the CD2, but I bet it's silicone based. Nothing worse than having new paint fisheye 'cause of detailing before painting.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"
Custom Fiberglass Parts (http://angelonearth.net/customfiberglass/)
Post by: pgackerman on May 05, 2015, 06:36:09 am
15. How are we getting the car to Augusta considering its lack of tags???
15b. How is the car given to the vet considering the lack of tags, insurance, registration, etc?
Post by: pgackerman on May 05, 2015, 07:09:13 am
Post by: Fierofool on May 05, 2015, 08:18:46 am
15. U-Haul won't rent a tow dolly to be towed with my truck, but if Pat would rent one for his F150, I'll tow the car with my truck.
15b. The vet has a truck that needs major repair (transmission). Registering the car with new title would cost no more than $75. He should be able to afford that, from what I know about him.
CD2 Engine Detailer isn't silicone based, but you still have a good point.
Post by: pgackerman on May 05, 2015, 03:04:35 pm
If you can get it painted in Augusta, tell me when you want it to be there.
Hope we get the chance to hold you to that! :)
16. Check the gas pedal. It may be fine, but it felt funky when I sat in the car.
Post by: TopNotch on May 05, 2015, 03:32:11 pm
if Pat would rent one for his F150, I'll tow the car with my truck.
When do you need the dolly.
Post by: Fierofool on May 05, 2015, 03:46:40 pm
Because it sits so low, I'll have to tow it with the front wheels up. We had that problem bringing it back from Tennessee. Even after we got it on the dolly, the nose was against the front of it.
Post by: pgackerman on May 05, 2015, 05:01:25 pm
Spoke with Cushman's Paint & Body in Evans on my way home. The boss wasn't in so I left a card and the story with his secretary. I'll let y'all know when I hear back. I'll try another place tomorrow.
Shouldn't the car be ready-to-go mechanically before the paint job?
Post by: Fierofool on May 05, 2015, 05:32:10 pm
Can anyone locate a 1/4 NPT brass plug to go in one end of a T fitting? I have another fix for the water in the oil pressure sender problem. I was looking for a 90 degree fitting but can't find one so I bought a T. I need to plug one end of the T once it's screwed into the line. The sending unit will lay horizontally.
Post by: pgackerman on May 05, 2015, 06:26:07 pm
Post by: Fierofool on May 05, 2015, 07:42:34 pm
I forgot to post the paint information. It's a Silver for a 2001 Mercedes Benz AMG series car. A very bright silver with extra fine metallic. It gives a much smoother metallic finish with less chance of clouding. Even if it's a single shot urethane, it should hold up for many a year.
Post by: pgackerman on May 05, 2015, 09:01:20 pm
Would the Club be upset if someone offered to paint it black, or red, or white, or blue instead of silver; if it's the right price?
Post by: pgackerman on May 06, 2015, 03:48:59 pm
Tried Kendrick P&B on the way home from work.
Gave them the story and the card. Said they'll forward the information to the person who makes such decisions.
Good thing you gave me a bunch of cards Charlie!
Post by: Raydar on May 06, 2015, 05:05:50 pm
Would the Club be upset if someone offered to paint it black, or red, or white, or blue instead of silver; if it's the right price?
It wouldn't bother me. I think anything "professional" would look better than what's on the car now.
My only concern is that the car used to be Medium Red (aka "maroon")
Since we're getting this paint job "donated" or at least "cheap", I can't imagine that any prep will be done beyond sanding the existing paint to provide a smooth surface. That will be three different colors. Two of which (the silver and whatever is sprayed over it) may be fairly thick and prone to cracking if the bumpers are even tapped.
This is just an observation. It may not even be a correct one. Just food for thought.
I also wouldn't recommend black, just because it shows everything. Dirt. Flaws. Everything.
I've always been partial to white cars, but that's just me. Most people prefer something less "reserved".
Post by: Fierofool on May 06, 2015, 05:43:14 pm
I was suggesting the MB Silver because it's a nice color and in line with the existing color. Jeep also has a very similar color. Having an American name attached to the paint might be cheaper than having a German luxury car name attached. Whatever the color choice, it will need to be masked, and a good coat of primer applied prior to painting.
I personally wouldn't mind white and might be pretty easy to paint. Chrysler/Dodge has a color known as Bright White that's a good clean color without the yellow tint. My Dakota was that color and held up well for the 17 years I had it. Still looked new. It might also be of benefit in the sunnier, warmer climes of Mid-Georgia.
Even if it's a donated paint job, I don't think we want an Earl Scheib type job.
Post by: Fierofool on May 07, 2015, 12:40:36 pm
I also have a front cowl cover that's not cracked. A little buckled, but better than the one we took off. The only thing we'll need to get are some umbrella push fasteners and 4 stainless screws to replace the 4 rusted ones we removed.
Paul, if you want, I can send you a file of the Warrior Project press release we did. Print it and hand it over, or give them a link to this thread.
I have some Hot Shot Carpet Cleaner that ScottB provided so we can clean the door panels. I also have the Vinyl spray in the 88 colors if we need to re-dye the dash.
If anyone has a ball joint splitter, bring it along. We will need it to replace the front springs. Several jacks would also be beneficial. Something low profile like RonS brought last time. I think a second person had one, so if you're coming, please bring that jack.
Post by: Fierofool on May 18, 2015, 12:32:35 pm
Let's try to be there around 10AM. The day's supposed to be in the mid to high 80's, so if anyone has any 20 inch fans and power cords, bring them along.
Raydar has a low profile jack and I believe some others said they have one, too. Bring it. I'll be bringing a floor jack and 2 jack stands and a Torx bit for removing brake calipers. Raydar also has the Rodney Dickman ball joint separator tool for the front ball joints and I believe Pat has one, too. We may still need the pickle fork style for tire rods so if anyone has one of those, bring it. Hammers will probably be needed. Large wrenches if you have them.
We need to rework the oil pressure sender and I'll bring a couple of ash tray doors to replace the broken one. If Ron hasn't already installed it, we need to put in the hub centric ring in the left front wheel.
Anything else anyone can think of that I've missed?
Post by: pgackerman on May 18, 2015, 05:40:34 pm
Anything else anyone can think of that I've missed?
You asked...
Feel free to add more items.
1. Replace springs and/or tires
2. Driver's door handle has a spring(?) hanging down. Doesn't give me the warm fuzzies regarding its longevity. Be very embarrassing if the vet can't open the door.
3. One of the backup lights is out
4. Paint
5. Re-install wipers
6. Re-install molding around wipers
7. Temp gauge never moved during the short drive
8. Clean interior door panels
9. The oil sender needs removed, threads chased clean and straight, then reinstalled.
10. A big goop of dielectric grease needs to be put into the top of the sender, just for extra security against water shorting it. So bring some dielectric grease!
11. A hub centric ring needs ordered and installed for one of the wheels.
12. Purchase and install new wiper blades
13. Allow engine to run long enough to activate cooling fan and temp gauge. Purchase new temp sending unit if necessary.
14. Change oil. I believe we have oil in the big tote full of supplies in Ron's garage. I brought a filter last time.
15. Clean engine and front compartments then treat with CD2 Engine Detailer for a good clean appearance.
16. I have purchased a full set of new hub centric rings. Install 1 on the left front and place the other 3 in the vehicle.
17. Check the gas pedal. It may be fine, but it felt funky when I sat in the car.
18. Ash tray doors
Post by: Fierofool on May 18, 2015, 06:01:56 pm
Item 2. The spring doesn't affect the opening of the door. It only makes the door handle return to the flush position.
Item 3. We can pick up a couple of new bulbs locally.
Item 4. I haven't heard anything from that body shop in Evans.
Item 5. After item 6
Item 6. I will be bringing a replacement.
Item 8. Will be bringing carpet cleaner.
Item 11. Hub centric rings have been delivered. Just need to be installed.
Item 12. Purchase locally.
Item 15. Engine and front compartment will have to be degreased and dried before application of CD2. As Paul Angel suggested, maybe wait until after car is painted before applying CD2.
Item 18. I will bring ash tray doors and springs.
Pat, bring the club Debit Card.
Post by: Raydar on May 18, 2015, 06:37:37 pm
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We may still need the pickle fork style for tire rods so if anyone has one of those, bring it. Hammers will probably be needed. Large wrenches if you have them.
Anything else anyone can think of that I've missed?
Bring the pickle fork if you want. I'll bring a pitman arm puller, too. It's what I use to pop my tierod ends.
I really hope there's air. An impact wrench makes it SO much easier. :D
Post by: ron768 on May 19, 2015, 02:21:57 pm
Post by: Fierofool on May 20, 2015, 07:49:24 pm
I also finally found some 90 degree brass 1/4 x 1/4 male/female fittings for the oil pressure sending unit. I ordered them 2 day delivery and hope to have them by Friday.
Post by: pgackerman on May 21, 2015, 09:34:52 pm
Saturday I'll be attending my daughter's graduation instead of working on the car. Funny how many posts I've put up and I won't even be there :)
When the car is finished the club should check the little things. From experience I know it's hard to look at details when the big picture is accomplished. Here are a few ideas:
- Wipers wipe
- Spray sprays
- Headlights light
- Brakelights light
- Interior lights light
- Idiot lights light
- Blinkers blink
- Horn honks
- No leaks
- Fluids are full
- Tires/spare hold air
- A/C blows cold air and can be placed on all settings: defrost/heat/etc
- Locks lock & unlock via keys & power door locks & deck release
- Windows go down and up
- Gauges move
- Temp & Gas gauges move
- Steering wheel tilts
- Seats move
- Radio works
- E-brake holds car
- Go for a drive!
Good Luck!
Post by: Raydar on May 22, 2015, 11:52:13 pm
An impact wrench and air ratchet.
Metric impact sockets.
Low profile jack and jack stands.
Pittman arm puller and R.D. ball joint tool.
Pry bar.
All my "usual" tools.
Loctite and anti-seize.
Teflon tape.
Zip ties.
Crimp connectors and shrink tubing.
Full set of springs. One pair of "cut" (1.5 coil) front springs - just in case.
I forget what else is in the pile.
Tammy won't let me bring the kitchen sink. Sorry.
Probably won't be there right at 10, but I'll be there.
Post by: Raydar on May 23, 2015, 11:30:40 pm
I think Ron768, Raydar and PGAckerman should get together and bargain this out. Those are the red Sport Line springs and go for about $250 when new.
I don't have any use for the springs. They're shorter than even my spare "cut" springs.
If Paul wants them, that's fine with me. He can work that out with the club. Unless Ron wants them. Probably won't work for his application, though.
With those springs, combined with the "drop" ball joints (yes - the car had drop springs and ball joints) it was in imminent danger of bottoming out on painted crosswalks and tar strips, and such. :o
The stock springs, and drop ball joints ought to give it a nice, even, stance. (88s usually sit higher in front, with stock underpinnings. At least mine did.)
I'm also quite certain that the ride will be better, now. In addition to the "sport" springs being short and stiff, the front bumpstops were unmodified. There is the largest chance that the car was hitting them, a good portion of the time.
Thanks to Charlie and Ron for jumping in, too. I'm surprised we got as much done as we did.
I'll come up with a set of pads for the rear, and go by there and put the brakes back together, since I'm right down the road. One of the existing pads disintegrated when Ron removed them. Apparently they don't like being marinated in whatever that particular pad was soaked in.
Post by: Fierofool on May 24, 2015, 08:50:06 am
While doing the springs, of course, we found other things needing replaced. Grease boots on ball joints and tie rod ends were in bad condition. Bushings for sway bar end links actually crumbled apart and one sway bar didn't have enough bushings. Raydar made a parts run and brought back what the parts store had. Grease boots for a Caterpillar were included in the assortment that the store had. I think they do that to get rid of old inventory they couldn't sell otherwise. I made a quick run to another parts store and found a set of boots that fit the tire rod ends like they should. The front end is now good to go.
The oil leak still isn't fixed. I installed the 90 degree fitting and sensor but then the harness was too short to plug to the sensor so I had to put it back in it's stock configuration. It isn't crtoss-threaded, but there's still an oil leak. We plan to remove the battery and start it on jumper cables so we have a clear view of the sensor and timing chain cover area.
Steve and Ron did most of the work. Most of the work was a little beyond my physical abilities so i was the Jack boy, the hand me this boy.
We still need to look at the temperature gauge and sender. I had the car running for about 15 minutes and the cooling fan never came on, nor did the gauge ever get higher than about 125 degrees. All else seems to work except some of the idiot lights don't come on when the key is cycled to ON.
A long and fruitful day. Thank you Steve and Ron. I got back home at 10PM and was in bed by 10:45.
Post by: Raydar on May 24, 2015, 03:44:04 pm
Thanks for all your help with things. You really overdid it, though. Seriously.
Post by: Fierofool on May 24, 2015, 05:42:48 pm
Overdid? Nah! We have to get this car finished up and delivered, whatever it takes. Painted or not.
Post by: pgackerman on May 31, 2015, 07:17:06 pm
Sounds like a lot of good work.
Just returned from a week in PA. What still needs to be done?
I'll talk to Eagle Paint & Body some time this week. Probably Wednesday or later.
Post by: Raydar on May 31, 2015, 10:33:12 pm
Not a big deal - just need to do it.
There's an oil leak that needs to be found and fixed. Possibly the oil sender or possibly... something else.
A few onesey - twosey things, listed above.
Post by: Fierofool on May 31, 2015, 11:47:58 pm
I don't think it needs the oil changed by the looks of the clarity of it. It might be good to change the filter, though. I provided one that should be over there.
I emailed with Jeanette and they still have the 27 year old Marine on hold. Someone's transporting him to where he needs to go. I told her that we may have to deliver the car to him without a paint job.
I still have the ashtray doors and springs. They need to be painted and installed.
Engine needs to be sprayed down with an engine cleaner like Gunk or other less odorous concoction.
Post by: TopNotch on June 01, 2015, 11:07:26 am
Engine needs to be sprayed down with an engine cleaner like Gunk or other less odorous concoction.
I've been using "Purple Power" (available at most grocery stores) as an engine cleaner. It works quite well.
Post by: f85gtron on June 06, 2015, 01:17:32 pm
Post by: Fierofool on June 06, 2015, 03:12:19 pm
I can get the car to Augusta with probably 2 days notice. Pick up a tow dolly then go get the car on Day 1, tow it to Augusta and return on Day 2. We can rent a dolly for about $60. Or maybe we could buy Roger a couple of tires for his dolly and use it. He's been very generous in letting the club use it and his tires are pretty dry-rotted.
I need to do the scouting run for the RFTH 20 Scenic Route and that makes my Saturdays and money very scarce for working on the car.
We did a press release last June and I sent it out to about 15 newspapers plus several TV stations and radio stations. The Buford Post of The American Legion posted it on their web page but we never got a hit from any of them. I also distributed it to 6 auto parts stores in my area and nothing from that, either. I sent Paul a copy of the file so that it could be printed and shown down there. You might get a copy from him. In the Word Document file, you can change the date from June 2014 to June 2015.
DAV of Atlanta or Chattanooga has not been able to provide any candidates. So far, Paul has given us a good source of candidates and they actually have one waiting at this time.
Post by: pgackerman on June 06, 2015, 06:15:55 pm
We spoke at Cars & Coffee in Augusta this morning. The club should have come.
Of course, Eagle P&B needs to see the car to completely agree. Standard quid pro quos and all that.
Post by: f85gtron on June 06, 2015, 06:46:59 pm
Post by: Raydar on June 06, 2015, 06:57:46 pm
Don't know how quickly I can get it done, however. I've got the 84 up on jacks, replacing the calipers and repacking the bearings. I'm waiting for a pair of wheel bearing seals to arrive (tomorrow) but I'll be away until tomorrow night. Hope I can get it back together in a day or two. (Gotta have something to drive to the meeting, next weekend. :D )
And I just figured out that I need to put a clutch in the gray car. :( That will be later on, though. After July 11.
Post by: Fierofool on June 06, 2015, 06:59:48 pm
Post by: pgackerman on June 07, 2015, 03:05:22 pm
We did a press release last June and I sent it out to about 15 newspapers plus several TV stations and radio stations. The Buford Post of The American Legion posted it on their web page but we never got a hit from any of them. I also distributed it to 6 auto parts stores in my area and nothing from that, either. I sent Paul a copy of the file so that it could be printed and shown down there. You might get a copy from him. In the Word Document file, you can change the date from June 2014 to June 2015.
Can you send me another copy? Can't seem to find the original.
Post by: Fierofool on June 07, 2015, 05:01:07 pm
Post by: pgackerman on June 07, 2015, 07:47:41 pm
I've been thinking we need to develop a timeline for getting the car to the Marine as quickly as possible.
With that as the goal, what follows are problems & predictions we may need to deal with.
1. When can the Club fix up the car and transport it to Augusta (Actually Eagle Paint & Body in Grovetown)? I'm not looking for an exact date, just a good guess. Friday the 12th? Monday the 15th? Maybe the 19th? I need to tell Eagle something.
2. After Eagle paints the car I'm guessing they'll want it off their lot. They may want to display it out front with a banner saying all the great stuff they did. They certainly earned the right. Anyway, we can't count on them to hold onto the vehicle or transport the car to where it's being given to the Marine. They may do so, but we can't count on it. BTW, both Ron & I volunteer our garages to hold the car until the hand-over takes place. Not sure how to move it to either place since we can't legally drive it.
3. How to present the car to the Marine? At the next C&C on July 4th? At Eagle P&B? At Aiken/Augusta Warrior project? Another show? I'm guessing (I do that a lot) the 4th of July Cars & Coffee in Augusta would be the best time and place to present the car. Eagle shows up every month. We should get a good crowd. Other than Veterans Day there is no better day to make the presentation. The date lines up well with when everything should be completed. The only problem I see is that it takes place Saturday morning in Augusta. This means a lot of hard working folks in the Atlanta area will have to travel down I-20 to see the presentation. Is that OK? Also, all sorts of folks important to the transition might not be available. This is all a guess.
4. Who contacts the press/TV?
Post by: Fierofool on June 08, 2015, 11:01:47 am
2. If Eagle wants to display the car, we have a paper banner with our logo and Georgia Fieros Warrior Project on it. They could display that during the day and good weather, along with whatever promotion they want to put alongside it. We would certainly put them on our website as a preferred vendor. If you have the title in hand, I think you might be able to drive it from the shop to your home, explaining that you recently bought the car, sent it to the body shop and are just getting it back. Maybe even telling the officer who the car's for might get some special favors if you're stopped.
3. July 4th would be an ideal time, but we don’t want to press Eagle to do a quick job. Once it’s out of the paint shop, everything needs to be put back on the car. We could make the presentation at any of the C&C shows since Eagle is always there. Maybe toward the end of a show so we have a maximum crowd and any of our people who want to attend can be there. Ideally, the President and Vice President should be there to make the presentation. That may be impossible for Ron R to do.
4. I’m not familiar with TV and press in the Augusta area so that would need to be handled from your end. I can try Fox News in Atlanta to see if they might be interested. Are you within their coverage area? Maybe Kim or Jeanette could get some coverage. I'll call Jeanette to see.
Our biggest problem up here is that the car is so far away. Only Raydar is close by. The rest of us are 75 miles or more away, so a weekend day is the only time anyone can possibly get to the car. I can make arrangements for someone to pick up my granddaughter for one afternoon while I bring the car down there.
Paul, can you show them your car and explain what needs to be removed and get their thoughts on it? My experience is that when these things aren’t removed for painting, the paint soon begins to peel around the belt trim and the aero trim.
Post by: f85gtron on June 08, 2015, 11:56:32 am
I can tackle the oil leak, brakes, whatever.....could even do the alignment too (under a shade tree, with a 6 pack, so the angles look right, of course)
What about if they ask about the theme if the paint? What if they did some kind of marine theme? I wonder if any interior upholstery business would like to get in on the action? Maybe do the radio, shifter, and saddle in leather?
Post by: Fierofool on June 08, 2015, 12:36:05 pm
The roof panel doesn't have to come off. The only things needing to be removed are those I mentioned. I had mine repainted and only removed the aero trim, rear fascia and tail lights, spoiler, deck lid, headlight doors and front hood, and the mirrors and drip rails. The brakes should be fixed before the car is moved. The calipers are just hanging without pads.
Leather interior is a good idea but GrannyLinda is currently seeking a donation from Mr. Mike's for our RFTH fundraiser raffle. We might be pushing a bit to ask for a second donation. There is a vendor on Pennocks that makes some nice console trim pieces, but I don't remember who that is.
I already have the plastic rivet gun and some rivets, plus some of the clips that hold the trim in place. I don't believe I have any clips for the belt molding, though.
I believe the club can afford to send the car to an alignment shop and provide a 6 pack to you after you've brought the car back.
Post by: f85gtron on June 08, 2015, 03:03:19 pm
Ron
Post by: pgackerman on June 08, 2015, 09:09:03 pm
The Eagle P&B owner seemed to know about Fieros when I offered to show him mine at Cars & Coffee. He's been in business 18 years and must have done P&B work before starting his own business. This may not be his first Fiero. FireoFool, feel free to speak with Brook when you bring the car down. Any idea when that will be?
I'd be happy to work with f85gtron to fix the oil leak and brakes as long as he isn't doing it at 3 AM or 11 PM as he generally seems to do. Maybe after work around 5 or 6 PM or on the weekend. But Ron's the brain and it's up to him to say if he'll fix the car.
I'm concerned about this two year ownership rule. I understand where the idea comes from, but I'd prefer to hand over the car and ask the Marine to let the club know when he intends to sell it and ask for right of refusal. Maybe we should ask Aiken/Augusta Warrior Project if they think the Marine is just going to sell it? After the car is given away the Club no longer owns it. It's not good taste to give something away with strings. Especially to a Marine veteran.
Post by: f85gtron on June 08, 2015, 09:41:14 pm
Are you trying to get at my 6 pack? :o
Post by: Fierofool on June 08, 2015, 09:52:35 pm
The oil leak is severe enough that you probably couldn't drive it to your homes.
When I first spoke with the people in Augusta, I let them know that there would be a requirement to keep the car for 2 years. I don't remember which, but one of the ladies understood the reason behind the requirement and apparently are proceeding. It's up to the board and members if we want to hold to this requirement or take a chance that someone will sell the car to make a quick buck to be used for other needs.
Post by: Roger on June 09, 2015, 08:43:04 am
We should have a legal and binding contract on the 'keep it 2 years' bit that also relieves the club of any liability or litigation.
It would have to be written by a lawyer (a legal one), certified by a Notary and filed with the state as a bill of sale.
If someone were to sell the car the club could still be held liable for any incidents.
Is there a GA DOT Safety Inspection that can be done to protect the club?
Post by: Fierofool on June 09, 2015, 09:39:51 am
The Club can put a lien on the back of the title. No monetary amount is required to be stated. If we have to state any monetary amount, we could set a fair price for the car. We don't have to provide any proof that he ever paid any money to remove the lien. When he registers the car in his name, that lien will be registered with The State. At the end of 2 years, we notify The State that the lien has been satisfied and he then owes The Club nothing.
He is a licensed and capable driver and with the car registered in his name, I don't think we could be held responsible for anything.
If the members have any worries that we might be responsible for anything, maybe we could just sign the car over to The Augusta Warrior Project Group, let them give it to whomever without any stipulations, and then we can forget about the car and be out of the picture. It's something we need to fully discuss at Saturday's meeting.
Post by: ron768 on June 09, 2015, 01:44:03 pm
Post by: pgackerman on June 09, 2015, 05:07:06 pm
Putting in my comments now since I won't be at the meeting:
I'm in favor of handing the car over as quickly as possible. Here's my reasoning:
* I don't want to track the new owner for two years. Doubt if anyone else does.
* The club might forget to remove the lien in two years.
* If he sells the car it might go to a Fiero fan, which is good.
* If he keeps the car, he might become a Fiero fan, which is good.
What's the bad side to walking away after the handover?
What's the good side of NOT walking away?
Post by: Raydar on June 10, 2015, 08:09:28 am
Putting in my comments now since I won't be at the meeting:
I'm in favor of handing the car over as quickly as possible. Here's my reasoning:
* I don't want to track the new owner for two years. Doubt if anyone else does.
* The club might forget to remove the lien in two years.
* If he sells the car it might go to a Fiero fan, which is good.
* If he keeps the car, he might become a Fiero fan, which is good.
What's the bad side to walking away after the handover?
What's the good side of NOT walking away?
I would tend to agree.
If he wants the car, we have to assume that he wants the car.
I don't think we should be "married to it" for... however long. Even if we agree to keep it roadworthy for that long. (Who, exactly, is "we" anyway?)
If this is really a goodwill thing, there shouldn't be any strings. Just my humble opinion.
Since it was mentioned...
Regarding this week's meeting, we also need to discuss the West GA car show on 7/11, if anyone is interested.
Post by: Roger on June 10, 2015, 09:31:07 am
No, I don't think we need to be 'married' to the car either. More likely divorced. No objections to helping out though.
Post by: pgackerman on June 10, 2015, 04:02:18 pm
I'm not opposed to helping out either as part of the Fiero Family.
Here's some info on the Aiken Augusta Warrior Project from the South's Oldest Newspaper - The Augusta Chronicle:
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/education/2015-06-09/aiken-augusta-warrior-project-leade r-touts-success-center-usc-aiken (http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/education/2015-06-09/aiken-augusta-warrior-project-leade r-touts-success-center-usc-aiken)
http://chronicle.augusta.com/search-results?cx=018350439693521963140%3A70qczqwnbdq&ie=UTF-8&querystring=Kim+Elle&siteurl=chronicle.augusta.com%2F&ref=www.google.com%2F&ss=1801j491093j10 (http://chronicle.augusta.com/search-results?cx=018350439693521963140%3A70qczqwnbdq&ie=UTF-8&querystring=Kim+Elle&siteurl=chronicle.augusta.com%2F&ref=www.google.com%2F&ss=1801j491093j10)
Post by: Fierofool on June 10, 2015, 09:25:17 pm
Post by: f85gtron on June 11, 2015, 08:48:53 am
Post by: Raydar on June 11, 2015, 10:27:20 am
Post by: Fierofool on June 11, 2015, 11:06:33 am
Post by: Raydar on June 11, 2015, 10:50:16 pm
The bad news... both calipers are leaking a bit through the vent / weep hole / whatever it is in the middle of the piston. That's probably what killed the previous pad. I don't know how long they had been on there, or how badly they will leak, over time. If it were mine, I'd probably replace them. But at least it can be moved, now.
The car is still on the jack stands. I thought that there was still a jack at the house, so I didn't bring mine. So when you come to pick up the car, you'll probably need to bring one. Or I can bring one if I'm at home.
I figured that it might be useful to have the car in the air when the oil sender tube is addressed, anyway.
The oil sender tube...
I couldn't find Charlie's. It didn't seem to be in the car, unless it's skillfully hidden.
There is a Fiero engine (Ron's?) in the corner of the garage. It has the tube and sender on it. Maybe that one could be "borrowed"?
I didn't run the engine to investigate the leak. I ran out of time and daylight. I didn't get there until way later than I wanted, due to having to have my home A/C fixed. It was 10:00 when I wrapped up.
Post by: Fierofool on June 12, 2015, 12:35:34 pm
The price is for home delivery so if Ron is willing to add another thing to his bucket list, the club could purchase them online then have them shipped to him.
Correction--Advance only has the left rear available but AutoZone has both available for shipment in 1 day.
Post by: Raydar on June 12, 2015, 01:53:16 pm
When they're replaced, the bottom caliper bolt on the right side should be replaced. The splines were damaged when we used the undersized torx socket. I was able to tighten it, but it's not ideal. I'm pretty sure I've got an extra. If I can find it, I'll bring it to the meeting.
Post by: f85gtron on June 12, 2015, 02:32:23 pm
Post by: Fierofool on June 12, 2015, 03:20:10 pm
I still haven't been able to locate the oil pressure sensor tube.
The rebuild kit is cheaper, but not as fast and easy was the reason I suggested the calipers. If the plug is leaking, then probably the pistons have been improperly retracted when Mike last had the pads replaced, damaging the seal and adjuster. The new calipers are already retracted and ready to install.
Post by: Raydar on June 12, 2015, 05:28:25 pm
Post by: pgackerman on June 12, 2015, 06:47:11 pm
I spoke with Eagle today too. They said they'd just been talking about the car. Didn't know it was with FieroFool!
Post by: Fierofool on June 12, 2015, 08:41:49 pm
I again spoke with Augusta Warrior Project and let them know our progress and expected delivery. We talked about some media coverage and she said she would handle that and there should be no problem in arranging for full media coverage. We will try to make it on August 1 at the Augusta Cars and Coffee.
Post by: Roger on June 13, 2015, 11:00:41 am
Post by: Fierofool on June 15, 2015, 12:54:17 pm
Rear brake calipers are on the way to Augusta. One from AutoZone and one from Orielly. Same brand, just that each parts store carries only 1 side.
Ron Robinson has provided an oil pressure sender tube.
Ron Scantlin will install the calipers and oil pressure sender tube when the car arrives in Augusta.
Eagle Paint and Body of Grovetown, Ga. will be providing a paint job for the car. Georgia Fieros will need to provide the fasteners to reattach body trim. Those are available through The Fiero Store.
The target date for delivery is August 1. We plan to do it at the Cars and Coffee event that day, and hopefully will do it at the end of the show.
Augusta Warrior Project will have local TV and Newspaper coverage.
The members present at the June 13 business meeting voted to hand over the car to the recipient with no requirements other than they sign an agreement that they will keep the car for a minimum of 2 years. If they no longer want the car, Georgia Fiero members and associate members will have first option to purchase it.
I will go to Powder Springs with Roger's tow dolly, bring the car to Scott's home in Cumming and he has volunteered to carry the car to Augusta on his trailer. I will be going with him Thursday, June 18.
Post by: pgackerman on June 16, 2015, 12:23:43 pm
Or first to Eagle and then to Ron's?
Post by: Fierofool on June 16, 2015, 08:22:12 pm
It isn't running well at the moment. I picked up a new CTS and will try to get it installed tomorrow and install the new cowling and washer hoses.
There almost wasn't a Warrior Project car. On the way back, I hit some rough pavement out in the Six Flags area and the car began whipping at about 65 mph. This is the 2nd Fiero I've ever pulled with the rear on the dolly. Both times nearly wrecked me. From now on, I don't plan to pull any automatics on a tow dolly. Manuals, I can pull with nose up at any speed I want and most any pavement conditions.
Post by: f85gtron on June 16, 2015, 10:19:00 pm
Post by: f85gtron on June 17, 2015, 05:57:54 pm
Post by: Fierofool on June 17, 2015, 07:42:44 pm
The car has developed a flooding condition. I purchased a new Coolant Temperature Sensor and a deepwell socket to change it out. It improved a little, but still won't idle. You have to press the accelerator all the way to the "Clear Flood Mode" to get it to start. I looked at the funky accelerator pedal but couldn't determine what was wrong with it.
The broken ashtray door has been replaced and I had to repair another part of the gear selector indicator in order to get the door to open and close. It's working properly, now
I ran it around the subdivision to see if I could get it working a little better and it didn't help, but I discovered a suspension rattle in the right front. Hope we didn't leave something loose. I've been working on the car all day between showers and I've gone as far as I can go with it.
The deepwell socket has been placed in the front compartment to be used as a lug wrench on the wheels. The special Torx bit we purchased for the brake calipers is also in the car and will go to the new owner. Washer hoses have been replaced and the new front cowl cover has been installed. We probably should purchase new wiper blades before turning it over. The ones on the car are dry and hard.
Post by: f85gtron on June 17, 2015, 09:33:10 pm
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Post by: f85gtron on June 20, 2015, 04:57:10 am
I snapped some photos of the oil leak and you guys tell me what you think. To me, looks like the tube is bent, slightly creased, and might have a visible hole up towards the sensor mount.
I didn't go with tools, do I didn't do any real work, other than to size up the task at hand. :(
1) Needs door pins/bushings.....drivers door catches on the sail panel.
2) needs oil sender tube installed
3) needs flooding condition addressed
4) needs rear calipers installed
I attempted to read the ecm to check the mat sensor against the cts, but I lost the resistor I took with me to jump the ALDL to get data started.....and the battery was under 8 volts, so i don't think anything would have gotten accomplished anyway.
Fyi, there is a VERY scary big dog that lunges and barks every time I moved. The leash is frayed... it would be wise to pack a ham sandwich before doing any work over there!
Ron
Post by: Fierofool on June 20, 2015, 08:25:38 am
Low battery voltage may be caused by their trying to crank it without pressing the accelerator all the way to the floor.
Should you visit again, take some habañero powder with you and sprinkle on the wheels. Don't want the dog coming around, and hiking his leg on them.
Post by: Roger on June 20, 2015, 10:01:02 am
Will this area be pressured washed before the body panels are remounted?
Thank you all for all of your hard work! You know who you are 8)
Post by: pgackerman on June 20, 2015, 10:45:58 pm
Did you guys give me the oil tube?
Post by: Fierofool on June 20, 2015, 11:23:23 pm
Post by: f85gtron on June 21, 2015, 12:33:49 pm
Post by: Raydar on June 21, 2015, 06:17:13 pm
... I've got to remember to sprinkle myself with habanero dust so I don't become dinner.
...and for freak's sake... don't rub your eyes. :D
Post by: Fierofool on June 22, 2015, 10:56:13 pm
Post by: pgackerman on June 24, 2015, 09:29:23 pm
Received the banner today. What do you want me to do with it?
It's paper, and we've been having some sudden, heavy storms the last few days. Can't count on Eagle to bring it inside.
Post by: Fierofool on June 24, 2015, 11:02:11 pm
If you pay them a visit, show them our home page. Pat has got their banner up as a Sponsor of the Warrior Project. I hope they will also name Georgia Fieros in their promotions.
Post by: pgackerman on June 26, 2015, 06:08:56 pm
Stopped by Eagle on the way home. The car should be painted by next week. Reassembled shortly after that.
When Eagle's done, we should make room in his shop and take it to f85gtron's or my place.
No nasty dogs at either house.
Post by: pgackerman on July 04, 2015, 04:58:30 pm
* The car is on schedule to be finished within two weeks. I'll try to drop by tomorrow and take photos.
* This should give f85gtron and myself two weeks to make any repairs.
* I suggest doing the hand-over at the August 1 Cars & Coffee between 0930 and 1000. That seems to be the max crowd time when the early arrivals are starting to leave and the influx of new people is trickling off. F85gtron, correct me if you have a different impression.
* 0930 is a bit early if you're coming all the way from Atlanta or Huntsville. There are some nice, inexpensive hotels at the intersection of I-20 and Washington Road in Augusta (Exit 199). I stayed at the La Quinta when I moved to the CSRA and can say the price was under $50, had a salt-water pool, a Dunkin Donuts/Baskin Robins across the parking lot, and other good food up and down the street. Rhinehart's Oyster Bar is an easy drive and you may even be able to get an autographed copy of Fish Gutting for Newlyweds while your dining. Tempting, huh? http://www.amazon.com/Fish-Gutting-Newlyweds-Rhinehart-Bailey/dp/0578045923 (http://www.amazon.com/Fish-Gutting-Newlyweds-Rhinehart-Bailey/dp/0578045923)
* There are also expensive hotels at Exit 199 that are also new Rhinehart's.
* Let me know if you'll be able to make C&C August 1st. The show starts at 0800, but I'm going to try to arrive early and grab some spots near the front. Any chance we can get around 20 Fieros to show up?
Post by: Fierofool on July 04, 2015, 10:34:06 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 05, 2015, 01:37:42 am
Post by: pgackerman on July 07, 2015, 09:44:59 pm
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Spoke with Eagle and Aiken/Augusta Warrior Project. Figure A/A and the GA Fiero Club and maybe Eagle will each have no more than a minute to say what a great thing is happening and to thank one another. Sound good?
Post by: Raydar on July 07, 2015, 10:30:22 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 07, 2015, 10:37:26 pm
Post by: pgackerman on July 08, 2015, 07:18:13 am
Post by: Fierofool on July 08, 2015, 07:58:21 am
Great to see the progress on the car. I've been talking with the man who's to receive the car and he's very excited about it. He's been checking out this thread and learning about the car and all of you who are involved.
Post by: f85gtron on July 08, 2015, 12:05:08 pm
Ron
Post by: Fierofool on July 08, 2015, 02:06:39 pm
Post by: pgackerman on July 08, 2015, 04:21:27 pm
He said he had seen several Fieros on base and he'd also seen Paul's among them. He does want to become involved with activities.
Does this include replacing an oil pressure sender tube at Ron's house before he get's the car?
Have him invite the Fiero owners on base to Cars & Coffee. We're trying to fill the lot. Have them reserve on the other thread so I can reserve parking spots.
Post by: Fierofool on July 08, 2015, 05:30:39 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 08, 2015, 11:13:14 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 11, 2015, 09:23:57 am
Good news and bad news.
Good news: car is in paint booth already!
Bad news: Pgackerman and i showed up to work on it, so no work will be done this week. (My wife will be happy)
Post by: pgackerman on July 11, 2015, 01:43:54 pm
May I say, "Oh WOW!" ;D
https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6170306894506560369 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6170306894506560369)
Post by: Fierofool on July 11, 2015, 05:25:29 pm
Post by: Raydar on July 11, 2015, 06:04:35 pm
Post by: pgackerman on July 12, 2015, 03:59:18 pm
And that hasn't even been buffed out and clear coated, yet. I'm surprised that they didn't remove the hood, headlight door, side molding and aero molding, though. But then, it is a free job they're doing and it does look super.
Don't know when Eagle put the hood back on, but it was off.
Post by: pgackerman on July 14, 2015, 08:47:59 pm
Who's making the scrapbook?
https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6171529217104455201 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6171529217104455201)
Might be ready Friday, should be ready Monday.
Post by: Fierofool on July 14, 2015, 09:42:57 pm
I saw in the latest pictures that they didn't remove the inner quarterwindow trim for painting and it looks like they painted over the VIN tags on the various panel. I hope they are at least going to repaint the mirrors and engine vents to a good shiny black. I was also hoping that the belt molding would have gotten painted, too. But again, it's a donated paint job. Looks better than it did when we got it.
When the car is done and delivered, if I can get jpeg of all the pictures, I'll put them into a file and burn them to CD. The file can then be placed on our facebook page, club website and copies can be given to the recipient.
Post by: pgackerman on July 15, 2015, 09:49:06 pm
I was joking about the scrapbook.
Post by: Fierofool on July 17, 2015, 12:23:35 pm
I was joking about the scrapbook.
Scrapbook CD started. :)
Post by: f85gtron on July 20, 2015, 09:40:35 pm
Driver's report:
No windshield wipers
Driver's door needs bushings installed
Calipers need to be installed
Does not run rich, so that eliminates the blown injector theory as to why it doesn't idle. I think it's a bad iac.
Paul and I changed out the oil sender tube and the oil leak is gone.
It drove straight and true
Power on demand, trans kicked down when supposed to and firm.
Ac worked :)
Rotor dust covers or something is scraping.
Those big wheels feel great with factory springs. Very nice.
I filled her up with premium to help dry out the tank.
Mirrors and vents are already painted. They did those at some point.
The car will be at Pgackerman Pgackerman's abode for the time being and may find itself in my garage eventually.
Ron
Post by: pgackerman on July 20, 2015, 10:03:04 pm
Found one of the wipers under the hood (Don't ask how f85gtron discovered they were missing). I'll dig more around the spare tire tomorrow to locate the missing wiper.
And now for the unveiling...
... wait for it...
... not yet ...
... Drum roll please....
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...
...
https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6173772962666349937 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6173772962666349937)
Ta Da!
God Bless Eagle Paint and Body. Brooks is one of those guys you have to envy. He owns a business doing what he loves. Guess God has blessed him.
Post by: Fierofool on July 20, 2015, 10:46:18 pm
Post by: Raydar on July 21, 2015, 11:11:53 am
Post by: pgackerman on July 21, 2015, 05:20:50 pm
You would have to post these pictures just before my bed time. Now, I won't be able to sleep. That's absolutely gorgeous. Think maybe we can get Barry to take a faded out plain Jane no options base 88 coupe, instead? Brooks and his crew have done a really beautiful job on the car. I think the color and the wheels are a perfect match.
Ron was wondering if anyone would notice if a silver'85 took its place.
Post by: Fierofool on July 21, 2015, 05:33:07 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 21, 2015, 06:32:33 pm
Post by: Roger on July 21, 2015, 07:59:13 pm
Break out the rum!!!
Post by: pgackerman on July 21, 2015, 09:22:06 pm
Found the other wiper!
Post by: pgackerman on July 22, 2015, 06:19:38 pm
Just spoke with Glynn Moore from the Augusta Chronicle.
He'll post the event in the paper.
Post by: Roger on July 22, 2015, 07:04:14 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 23, 2015, 05:53:10 am
Pgackerman and I worked on the wp car last night and got a couple items ticked off the list successfully.
The door hinge pin and bushings are replaced and working. Door alignment is back to normal.
Pgackerman found both wipers and we reconditioned those.
We tested and replaced the iac with a spare. Car holds it's own idle now, but an iac (and ecm) reset need to be performed.
Next is checking plugs and wires. Checking timing. Rear calipers.
Drivers report:
Still had power on demand. Some issues with idle, but iac and ecm hasn't been reset, or miles driven to learn new configuration. By the end of a short 2mile jaunt, held its own idle and responded to ac compressor cycles.
Water temp started working after a ground check to block. Maybe the guage was stuck?
Ron
Post by: Fierofool on July 23, 2015, 08:11:55 am
When we first worked on the car to get it going, we checked the timing and it was right on the money. That was before it started idling badly.
Post by: f85gtron on July 23, 2015, 11:59:12 am
This car is really coming together. I wish you all where here to see it be "reborn". It was cool to see people in Pgackerman's neighborhood turn their heads and look not only at Pgackerman's ride (which is usually the case), but also the wp car. It really looks sharp.
Ron
Post by: f85gtron on July 23, 2015, 01:26:36 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 23, 2015, 02:56:44 pm
Oh, and I'm still waiting on my 6-pack!
What brand?
Post by: pgackerman on July 23, 2015, 05:34:42 pm
Looks like the car still needs an '88 Owner's Manual and a 2015 Club sticker.
Can anyone help with these items?
Post by: Fierofool on July 23, 2015, 06:50:19 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 23, 2015, 10:11:01 pm
Post by: pgackerman on July 24, 2015, 04:14:27 pm
http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/life/autos/2015-07-23/auto-group-give-fiero-local-veteran#gsc.tab=0 (http://m.chronicle.augusta.com/life/autos/2015-07-23/auto-group-give-fiero-local-veteran#gsc.tab=0)
Post by: Fierofool on July 24, 2015, 05:48:00 pm
Do you all think the oil leak will be fixed in time? I think that might be the only thing remaining?
Post by: pgackerman on July 24, 2015, 06:14:31 pm
We, by we I mean f85gtron, fixed the oil pressure sender tube before driving the car to my place.
The cardboard under the car in my garage has stayed dry.
Post by: f85gtron on July 24, 2015, 06:16:01 pm
My 6pack preference is bud.
Post by: f85gtron on July 24, 2015, 06:16:57 pm
Post by: pgackerman on July 24, 2015, 06:18:38 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 24, 2015, 06:41:22 pm
How about Yuengling? You did the work, so you tell me what you want and it's yours.
Post by: f85gtron on July 24, 2015, 06:48:05 pm
Post by: GrannyLinda on July 24, 2015, 08:35:43 pm
They Are In The Money Bag. [/size]
Post by: f85gtron on July 26, 2015, 07:12:24 am
Post by: Fierofool on July 26, 2015, 07:42:01 am
Post by: f85gtron on July 26, 2015, 10:13:03 am
Post by: Raydar on July 26, 2015, 04:43:56 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 26, 2015, 06:46:38 pm
Update:
The fire extinguisher is tucked in on the passenger side seat-door gap.
The rear calipers are on
The spark plugs (Where only finger tight) and wires (two end fixtures stayed on the plugs) are on.
The ses light has been taken out. I switched with another good bulb, but still nothing. Weird.
Got the tablet hooked up and got data. No codes and everything looks good.
The throttle body had been tampered with so I set back to factory. The tps set to .50 volts and the throttle plate set to 30 steps iac.
Starts right up (usually) and holds idle, sometimes rough, sometimes perfect. However, it dies rather reliably when throws into park. Trying to figure that one out
Post by: TopNotch on July 26, 2015, 08:56:17 pm
Post by: Fierofool on July 26, 2015, 10:23:01 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 27, 2015, 12:11:04 am
Post by: f85gtron on July 27, 2015, 10:11:59 pm
Looked at the Egr today, I pushed it up and down a few times and four out of five times, it didn't seat the same, the plunger shifted to one side or the other. I replaced it with a known working spare that I had laying around. The gasket is bad and I red copper sealed it. Its curing tonight and I'll try it tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully that will fix idle.
Things left to do:
Sort out the idle
2 cans seafoam, one for the tank, and one for Chinese water torture
Condition the vinyl and leather in the interior
Clean the glass
Clean the motor
Ron :)
Post by: TopNotch on July 28, 2015, 07:39:39 am
Post by: Fierofool on July 28, 2015, 08:21:39 am
Post by: f85gtron on July 28, 2015, 08:12:46 pm
Post by: pgackerman on July 28, 2015, 09:50:30 pm
A few more pictures:
https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6176739967904507585
(https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6176739967904507585)
Also a few shots from a car show at Sno-Cap in North Augusta.
Post by: Fierofool on July 28, 2015, 10:46:50 pm
Post by: f85gtron on July 29, 2015, 10:53:12 pm
Pgackerman and I replaced my egr gasket work around with a proper egr gasket. Then we reset the ecm, adjusted the tb to 30 steps iac and .49 volt tps. We went for a victory lap and herd a crazy sound, just once, and just for a couple seconds. Sounded like someone was on the hood of the car on a sit-n-spin. We stopped, looked at each other horrified and jumped out to investigate. We found nothing. Checked the fan, wheels, looked for dead cats and kids dragging under the car and nothing. Totally weird.
We decided it best to change the oil and filter, so tomorrow I'll do that. We cleaned Windows and the interior plastics. I'll put conditioner on the vinyl tomorrow and degrease the motor after the oil change.
Could one of you coming to Augusta bring a timing gun? Mine's shot (harbor freight) and I'd feel much better checking it once more. There is a slight oscillation at idle and I'd feel better making sure timing is still set. I started to fiddle with it when my light went out.
Post by: Fierofool on July 29, 2015, 11:55:42 pm
I am going to suggest that you look at the inside lips of the wheels to see if there are any signs of scraping. When we removed the old stock wheels, the inside lip where the bead turns in toward the spokes of the rim were badly scraped. I believe it was due to the lowering ball joints. That shouldn't be a problem with the larger diameter wheels and the offset moved out.
Those changes would keep the top control arm at the same relative position to the rim because it's still attached to the spindle at the same position, but would drop the lower one closer to the tire and rim.
Post by: f85gtron on July 30, 2015, 07:56:41 pm
UPDATE:
All cleaning and conditioning is complete inside the car.
The oil and filter have been changed. Oil pressure now is normal (it was low before...kept setting off the light)
Motor is degreased
Things I'm saving for Friday and or Saturday are making the engine compartment shine, washing the exterior and setting timing
Post by: Fierofool on July 30, 2015, 11:14:13 pm
I guess the Gunk stuff will have to do. Probably should be applied a day in advance if you can do it Friday.
Post by: f85gtron on July 31, 2015, 07:07:42 am
I forgot to mention that yesterday, I did the Seafoam to the intake and WOW!, I left a contrail probably a mile long! I had to drive it out of the neighborhood because I overheard a neighbor loudly comment "what's on fire?!" before he noticed it was coming out of the warrior car. It was a sight to behold!
Post by: pgackerman on August 10, 2015, 04:56:35 pm
Hello All,
Here are some photos from the Cars & Coffee handover: https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6181486377161659953 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6181486377161659953)
My apologies for the delay in posting. Immediately after leaving C&C I left for Indiana to see the in-laws. And I do mean immediately.
Thanks for a great experience. Enjoy the photos.
Post by: Fierofool on August 10, 2015, 08:20:02 pm
BTW, work on Barry and get him registered on the forum. Also, if either of you are coming up to the St. Mtn. get together on the 22nd, see if you can get him to tag along. Or at least make the meeting on Sept. 12. I know some of the folks that couldn't get down to Augusta would like to see the car and meet Barry.
Post by: pgackerman on June 25, 2016, 06:17:07 pm
F85gtron and I added another Fiero to the road today. We replaced the distributor in the Warrior Project car.
Here are some pics: https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6300245551262417409 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6300245551262417409)
Post by: Raydar on June 25, 2016, 06:19:26 pm
Post by: ron768 on June 25, 2016, 09:37:33 pm
Post by: Raydar on June 25, 2016, 10:29:47 pm
Post by: f85gtron on June 26, 2016, 06:55:33 am
Post by: ron768 on June 26, 2016, 10:46:16 pm
Post by: GTRS Fiero on August 10, 2019, 08:55:02 am
F85gtron and I added another Fiero to the road today. We replaced the distributor in the Warrior Project car.
Here are some pics: https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6300245551262417409 (https://plus.google.com/photos/101244603559962497427/albums/6300245551262417409)
And these.