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Title: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 17, 2017, 08:38:23 pm
Part 2,  this Is the Car  It Will Be A Blast,  If You Don't Know about the Challenge, Please Check it Out, You will be Impressed and amazed at what can and IS being Done, You Can watch Or Get Involved, it will be Fun For all,

          OK Grassroots MotorSports( online forum). The Rules  the Cars and threads everywhere about them and new ones too.

     
            Pictures being assimulated now, Brought to you By GTRS and GaFiero.org  Thanks all. John



 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 17, 2017, 09:53:13 pm
Pics follow:






Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
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Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
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Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 17, 2017, 10:23:14 pm




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Sorry.  I was happier with the job I did last time.  I started with the same pictures, but something is wrong with how these came out.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 17, 2017, 10:24:02 pm
Just a suggestion.  You might want to post a link to the challenge info and the requirements, just like last time.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 17, 2017, 10:51:55 pm
 Thank you I will,         Big day tommorow so ASAP,    but later in the Day.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: AndyNeuman on May 18, 2017, 09:06:24 am
http://www.grmchallenge.com/rules/ (http://www.grmchallenge.com/rules/) there is a link to the rules and general info about the event.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 18, 2017, 05:10:02 pm
   Way Kool Andy, Thanks so much. Just got in and I am whipped.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 18, 2017, 05:55:03 pm
Welcome, Andy.  I take it you're familiar with this challenge?
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 18, 2017, 07:20:05 pm
  I hope he will speak for Himself, But yea, Lucky for Me he was looking in and Lucky for Us too, and Lucky for GRM he is there also, What's that song   R E S P ECT ....     I belive most of the text and Pics Came from him.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on May 18, 2017, 07:28:46 pm
Welcome, Andy.  I take it you're familiar with this challenge?

I believe the article said he once owned the car.

Welcome, Andy.  I wouldn't have approved your registration had I not seen your name in the article.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 18, 2017, 08:28:10 pm
   Funny But I just read the article Squinting all the way through,   there is a link to the whole story in GRM, If I Copy/Paste Will that Pick up the Link Imbedded there ? I'm going to look now  2014 Parking lot build
THE MADDNESS! Oh well that was the link but it didn't work for me.   I think Andy linked it last time, would you do it again PLEASE.



           

Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 19, 2017, 06:11:43 pm
What have YOU done to this car, since you got it?
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 19, 2017, 07:28:23 pm
   

          The car is Still In Jacksonville Fla. I am still paying for it.  Happily Jeremy is a true GRMer and is accepting payments as I can. I am retired and belive me my Check is spent Before I get it, so I earn what I can, when I can and send him what I can,  But he has a friend in Ellijay and comes up to his Cabin when he can get here, so He will be bringing it when he Drives up.

I've been studing up on all I can about the drivetrain and Options for Improvement On a Budget.  Lucky for me a head gasket and good tune will get it running but I want to win and that IS my focus.   It should have enough power for the Slolom, I have a Chrome Orange Paint for color and detailing,  The drag portion may require a shot of Nitrous But Half of the cars will also, Lots will be in the 12's some in the 10's..

 It's going to take a bit of work in all areas Fiero and that is why I have come here .to at least pick your Brains and hopfully generate some Particapation Aka. free labor!, to be the BEST Fiero I can Field  I have Faith enough that the Vette is collecting Dust.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 19, 2017, 08:46:53 pm
Great.  In the meantime, I'm sure you would be able to gain lots of experience by helping out with the club's current projects, as well as get an idea of what you want to do with your upcoming project.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 19, 2017, 09:20:46 pm
  The Comraderie would be fine,  I've owned 4, Worked for Clay Young, the Pontiac Factory Driver, and put a SBC 400 in my Brothers Fiero which was one of Clay's Wide body cars, And Last Satarday Missed on going to northlake as well as Paul aka Tha Driver House Because I spent too much time at the Swap Meet, I regret Missing Both, And I Firmly belive in Helping Others when I can.   Northlake Isn't Far, Not close either Maybe an hour   Just Let me Know ahead of time i'll try to be there.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on May 24, 2017, 06:32:50 pm
You had previously mentioned that ”all paths lead to Tail of the Dragon”.  Is this car still streetable?
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: AndyNeuman on May 25, 2017, 08:55:47 pm
Yes, I am familiar with the Grass Roots Motorsports challenge. Yes, I was a previous owner of this car. 


Here is the link to the origination of the finding and "building" of the car. 

Edited for image size.


Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 25, 2017, 11:39:51 pm
 Just read this from cover to cover ( 10 pages) I am Stunned, and will be Proud to Bring her back, Thank you again Mr Neuman, that is likely the best read  ever . I hope everyone will stop and find the time to enjoy this Story. thank you to all who were involved,  and thank you Jeremy for letting me Buy it.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 17, 2017, 08:41:47 pm
what in the world has made this thread GROW to a size that doesn't fit the Page, But met some people today that showed up at the Po boys show at Riverstone car show in Canton. so 3 Fiero's Today.   A 300% increase in Fiero's, Very Nice people and one said he Was in the Illinois club but now live's here I assume. Hopefully they will look in and Introduce Themselves. Plus a bump for the car.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 17, 2017, 10:39:22 pm
Andy's image.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 18, 2017, 07:48:23 am
He can use the one I posted on page 1.  Or a global admin can edit the post.  Or, one other person can edit with the content below:



Yes, I am familiar with the Grass Roots Motorsports challenge. Yes, I was a previous owner of this car. 


Here is the link to the origination of the finding and "building" of the car.  https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/lets-try-this-again-parking-lot-challenge-build-an/91669/page1/ (https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/lets-try-this-again-parking-lot-challenge-build-an/91669/page1/)
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on June 18, 2017, 07:57:10 am
Resize images to 1024 x 720 and they will fill the screen without over-extending it.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 18, 2017, 08:09:53 am


  Will the Admin. please do so on the Resize, I thought it was My Computer, Andy was kind enough to to Post it twice, I hate to ask Again.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 18, 2017, 08:14:27 am
I'm glad you're maintaining your thread.  Sometimes, threads get hard to read.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 19, 2017, 08:14:52 am
You had previously mentioned that ”all paths lead to Tail of the Dragon”.  Is this car still streetable?
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     After looking at the Photos I must assume that right now it Is Not street Legal,  BUT  It couldn't take much ( To Me) to make it so.  A Dedicated Track Car Isn't so Bad,  Though Limited somewhat in useage, should still be A Ball at SCCA Event's/HPDE/Open track Day's.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on June 19, 2017, 01:15:55 pm
Andy, when editing your post, I inadvertently deleted your link to the article.  Can you edit it back into the post?  I tried to find it on the GRM website but couldn't. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 19, 2017, 01:20:07 pm
It's https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/lets-try-this-again-parking-lot-challenge-build-an/91669/page1/ (https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/lets-try-this-again-parking-lot-challenge-build-an/91669/page1/)
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 19, 2017, 06:05:12 pm
 
   Thank you Both, and Andy N. Without your seeing MY Needs This thread wouldn't have Happened. I'm Almost Paid up on the Extra C4(What was I thinking) and then can spend My Money on this Fiero (What was I thinking) It should be a Hoot.... 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 20, 2017, 10:19:48 am
 Hopefully I have Swayed some of you to have an intrest in this Project, I know I must get it up here soon to begin the Needed work.   I also hope those that are Intrested have been able to find time to look at the Sponser of the event's Forum(GRM) to see the Intrest Others have in Making this Show.
  I see that now another Collage has decided to bring a team ,  Smith's Collage,  An all Girl's team, Bravo for them! I had thought about Copying the Post From Grassroots Motorsports and Putting it here But Didn't want to Get in trouble for using anothers printed Story. so go over there and read About it. 
 I am becoming Excited about entering this Show and the Popularity it has through out the USA. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 20, 2017, 06:29:58 pm
Much more interesting when you start working on it.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 20, 2017, 07:32:05 pm
                   thank you for Noticing the Obvious.
    I am presently putting togeather a presentation to try and Attract a Sponsor or Two because of a situation I have Encountered,
My Money source was mostly coming from the Blazer I owned that I wrecked and was parting out, the person Whose house it was at decided against using the engine I was GIVING him (Old Friend?) and Gave it to a Salvage yard thinking I Gave Him the Whole Damn Thing. It's Gone and so are the Funds It would have Brought in.     My Fault Only.
   I still have a shop full of crap to sell on Craigslist but must get my Butt In Gear. as they say "Onward through the Fog" heck It's only a grand, easy peasy.   also my Fault is trying to buy two cars at the Same Time, I was buying another C4 for a parts car, that I don't really Need right now but still Owe 250.00 on that.  Money Money Money.  LAFF OUT LOUD.   
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on June 20, 2017, 08:01:36 pm
A suggestion for our club members and officers.  Maybe we could provide some needed parts from our parts barn.  I know it's difficult for folks to break away from life's happenings to help out by the laying on of hands. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 21, 2017, 06:51:35 am
   
   GTRS; I must apoligize for being "Snappy"  I'm A bit Upset, with the deal with the Blazer, I will recover.

     FF;  Thank you for the Offer, Very Kind 'Specialy since I'm not even a member yet. I will get the engine useable, but tuning the stock ecm or the Mega squirt will take tools and Knowledge I do not Posess, I am going to learn,  It's the "Old Dog New trick thing"  Also I've yet to contact the persons that Ya'll suggested that have done this swap, I thought I'd Have the Car by Now. Have a great day!
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on June 21, 2017, 10:06:53 am
BTW, do you know Rodvr6 from BallGround?  I've issued invitations to meetings and events often over a number of years, but nothing.  He's supposedly pretty knowledgeable when it comes to performance, so I hear.  He's on PFF.  Couldn't get him to register here. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 21, 2017, 02:50:12 pm
 

    Don't know him by Rodvr6, but a dude that has a couple Fiero's lives around here and is the Person that Bought my Brothers Wide Body Car, it was one of Clay Young's Road race cars and was a Factory / Huffaker  car. My Brother Kenny had Painted it Viper Silver And it was Sharp then he Fogged the Nose Viper Blue and I wasn't as Fond of that, There are some Pics of it around So I'll dig them up and post them, Oddly they look Much Like the Yellow and red on the car I'm Getting that's Now Grey. you know Kenny's was yellow and so was the one I'm getting and all Clay's cars were .......Seeing a trend here!
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on June 21, 2017, 06:29:46 pm
   GTRS; I must apoligize for being "Snappy"  I'm A bit Upset, with the deal with the Blazer, I will recover.

No worries, but you can call me Captain.  jk

I almost didn't post anything for that reason, but it was what I was thinking.  I mean, it's been a while, and I have zero patience.  Also, it's terrible when you get no replies, and it seems no one is interested.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 21, 2017, 06:47:16 pm
 too many Irons in the Fire, I began Buying the C4 Just before Jeremy and I setteled on the Fiero, Heck I've had to walk away from an aluminum v8 215 Buick that I gave a deposit on. I was going to use it in the Fiero but decided Enough was enough!
But thanks for Understanding.
Title: Original Builder
Post by: AndyNeuman on June 23, 2017, 09:12:50 pm
Almost 99% certain the guys that built this car originally built the Fiero.  https://york.craigslist.org/cto/6158403793.html (https://york.craigslist.org/cto/6158403793.html)
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on June 24, 2017, 11:22:44 am
 That appears to be a Quality build,  I am not too big on 3-wheeled cars But really love the 3-wheeled Morgan V twin air cooled and the Bmw (see an old Movie "The Party)(one of Peter Sellers first)Cars  from the 30's, Maybe Triumph also, it looked like a TD with a V Twin up front.
 Andy I saw you were having Trouble with one of your cars Is it one you are Taking to the Challenge?
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on July 04, 2017, 08:11:06 am
     
   Turns Out the car in "The Party" is a Matchless, Very very Kool. 
   
    The newest car in My Driveway Is an 85 C4,Paid for and about to be put up till Next year,   What that means is NOW I Can Concentrate On the Fiero,     I work pretty good under pressure, so well see.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on July 13, 2017, 07:16:23 pm
  Bump for a friend to see.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on July 14, 2017, 07:46:17 am
Remind me.  Do you have this Fiero, yet?
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on July 14, 2017, 01:41:29 pm



                                                                     NO.!


                                                                   600.00
                                                                      to
                                                                      go

                                     and it's in Jacksonville Fla.  Looking for some sort of Sponsor
                                                                   

Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on November 14, 2017, 06:33:05 pm
 Yea! just talked to Bill In Ocala Fla. He is coming up the Day Before Thanksgiving to see his Son In Rome Ga. and will Be Picking up the Fiero In Jacksonville Fla. this week, so working with Jeremy(Pimpn3) who presently has the car to Finalize Picking it up.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on November 14, 2017, 07:38:48 pm

  Look, very Close at the First Picture, Guess what the Car Name will Be.  First one to Notice Is the Stinking WINNER...Lol 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on November 14, 2017, 08:22:51 pm
How about "Procrastination"? 

I like the way the quad headlights were done in the first picture in the thread of the gray car front end.  We need to take a close gander at that to see how it was done. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on November 14, 2017, 09:06:17 pm
Ok but the first picture on my computer also has a radiator cap in it, but the answer isn't about the cooling system. L O L
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on November 14, 2017, 11:51:20 pm
I see something that's sometimes called a Pumpkin Bug or a Stink Bug. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on November 15, 2017, 06:56:03 am

 There you Go, We have a winner,  so how 'bout Stink Bug?  But really now, I was after one of my friends to help but really Haven't asked Directly for Money. He Own's Northwest Exterminating and said I could get some Mouse Decals to put on the Car, after I get it running I'll go see Him.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on November 15, 2017, 08:04:10 am
The exterminating company is going to sponsor a car named after an invasive pest?  It'd make more sense if the car was named ”The Bug Zapper” or ”The Exterminator”.  Just saying.

I used to get bankers to sponsor me.  Then whatever news company is covering, and the caterer, and a tire dealer.  That gave me money, only positive coverage, all the food my guys could eat, and free tires.  I was never able to get a car manufacturer or an engine builder to sponsor me, but you could try them.  Over time, I got sponsorship from paint and body shops.  One race, I was sponsored by the Sheriff's office, and had a wanted poster decal.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on November 15, 2017, 12:40:42 pm
 I like the Wanted Poster.  On the Late model A very Large and Popular Body shop was a Sponser for at least 10 Years, Tires, Fuel, Body parts. this exterminating is likely the Largest around. and we were just Cutting up when I asked about' The Mouse', But who knows we will see, I hopefully won't need any thing But It would cost a Grand in Fuel, food, rooms, but all Good.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on November 28, 2017, 06:00:06 pm
 
    IT'S  HERE,  IN BALLGROUND GEORGIA.
 
   Boy , it's a mess, so far I have seen some neat stuff. Lots of stuff has just gotten Aged sitting in the Flordia Sun, a couple day's of cleaning will tell more. the spray bomb rust O leum Gray is worse than the Pictures look, and Over all it's well, a Mess . what day is this month's Meeting I want ya'll to see it before I start taking it apart.     
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on November 28, 2017, 06:04:50 pm
December 9, Christmas Get Together.  Regular time of 1:30.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 01, 2017, 08:06:02 am
At long last!  It sounds as if you have a lot of fun ahead of you.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 02, 2017, 08:08:36 am
  Thanks GTRS,
  Lots of work, but so much is so well done. so yea it's need of a head gasket is paramount But on the other hand 90% of this car can be made awesomly 'Presentable' with a super clean, it has an OEM windshield and the rear plexi is presentable, the side glass is a less expensive material and Fogged over so you cannot see out.   setteled dirt in floor pans wiped clean with hot water and purple clean.
 
 I don't want to pressure clean as it has a couple thousand bucks worth of electronics, all Auto Meter "Phantom" gauges that appear new, and an ECM that is GM and must be newer style as it can read Boost,      and the abilitiy to install any engine that will fit because it also Has a Mega Squirt driver and connections for a laptop. custom T/B intake mount

  I saw a post on Pennocks yesterday about 3.5 and newer engins as well as 3.9 it look's as if with the power advantage the new engins  I may be wasting time fiddling with a repair in the 3.4 engine which on closer examination also has some special stuff,
 
Raydar was Posting on the Discussion so we need to talk, and of couses anyone else that wants to contribute, as I am Open to caddy Northstar right on through what have you,  Just remember  This car is Super light weight so that shall remain a goal. hell I will put in a Chevy V-8 if its ALL Aluninum.  No I Don't Have one and now its a 4 speed.      LOT'S of good stuff here.!

the car has lite weight Doors, Hand made engine cover, lite Hood with air ducting coming straight off the Radiator Huge Magna flow Muffler that look's Stainless.

just a lot of good stuff that needs cleaning and detailing and is not needed it's been CUT Off, The rear cradle and Engine mounts are well designed and solid as a rock and no rubber at the body mounts(Aluminum discs)
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: f85gtron on December 02, 2017, 10:57:28 am
The 3.5 idea is interesting. I happen to have one with a spun bearing that needs rebuilt. Great block and components. I haven't looked at the bearing yet though. Might need a crank. A boosted 3.4 will scream though. You may want to keep it simple with the rig on your first time out.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 03, 2017, 12:23:32 pm

you are right, just got the heads off and yep no.6 (rear firewall side) was  blown because of a chip?in the edge of the head. A repair had been attempted  with epoxy but didn't work.  some one in Carrolton has a set of 3400's for 100 bucks (CL)  these are 3100's.
 will it just bolt back up or what all will need to change with the newer 3400  heads
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: f85gtron on December 03, 2017, 06:53:14 pm
3400 (aluminum) or 3.4 iron?  Same with 3100, 3500, 3900. The 3x00 use aluminum heads and possibly roller cam.  They should bolt on, but the compression will change without a piston change too.  I can't remember if the compression goes up or down. If the compression goes up and you're naturally aspirated, it's probably good with racing fuel, but if turbo, not good at all. That's probably why the head's chipped.
If 3.4, any 2.8, 3.1, 3.4 (iron) heads will work.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 04, 2017, 07:42:37 am
  No It has 3100 aluminum heads,   I belive the 3400 intake has a better shape and port volume and the heads are better also.
it has dished pistons.   
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: f85gtron on December 04, 2017, 09:09:30 pm
So, I THINK that 3100, 3400, 3500 use the same heads. Go to the parts store and compare head gaskets to be sure.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 05, 2017, 06:45:33 am

 the way I read it, the 3400 has a better Port shape and Volume than the 3100, but also has the newer spring type /beehive, Said to be good for a few more rpm. A Man in Carrollton has a set for 100 bucks, I will go look soon.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on December 05, 2017, 08:00:38 am
You might want to do some research on the dependability of the 3400 heads.  I am aware and have also heard of a lot of the 3400 engines, like the ones used in the Grand Am's, were bad about blowing head gaskets.  Whether it was a fault of the gasket or the design of the head or overheating, I don't know, but I know of one person who lost the original engine in his wife's car, then replaced it with another engine only to have the same thing happen.  He replaced the head gaskets on it and they eventually blew out again.  There was an identical Grand Am sitting at a garage up here in town and it had the same problem. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 05, 2017, 09:02:52 am
  I will note the info about heads, have to go with the easy button here,  I have to replace 1 so a pair works and I have them off anyway.   
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 23, 2017, 09:19:45 am
 
All done on the head gasket repair ,  today I will finish the Headers (They are really nice set of Stainless steel headers) and charge a battery to test with., the one in the car was tiny 4" x 7"  that won't recharge.  So If I can get it all hooked up Maybe some smoke Today. Rainy outside but kinda warm at 60 + today and this my be the only day this week to get Outside.  So If You Have Nothing to do( yea right) come on Down. You don't have to work ! I will share the plan with you.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on December 23, 2017, 09:34:10 am
Glad to read that progress is being made on this.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 23, 2017, 01:14:34 pm

 IT IS POURING RAIN, My Building is Really nothing more than a Plywood shell and a Plywood floor and feels like Outside but not Raining. Can ya Dig, gonna make a Hardware store run for some G8 washers, so no Progress today .
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on December 25, 2017, 06:15:12 pm
 Engine turning over very slow will go through the grounds and all tommorow, 32 outside and I'm not having any fun.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 20, 2018, 08:30:38 am
What have YOU done to this car, since you got it?
   

  As Of this morning ,  Well yesterday the temp got to about 40's and I got her running, the slave cyl. is stuck so that is todays Project. BUT I keep Looking at the plug wires and with them in what looks like the Position in these pics it would not start so I set them in 1 2 3 4 5 6 and it started Immediatly. the pics appear to be in another v6 firing Order so I still want to check that. But Little Victory's.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on January 20, 2018, 08:54:52 am
The 2.8, 3.1, and 3.4 are all what's known as Even-Fire engines, meaning that they are sequential, 1 thru 6.  There was an early version of the 2.8 that was an Odd-Fire engine, according to my brother-in-law.  That firing order was 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 5.  Supposedly it was bad about breaking crankshafts, being the reason for the development of the Even-Fire crank. 

Those 1, 3, and 5 cylinder wires really had a hard bend in them, the way they were routed. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 20, 2018, 12:10:39 pm
  I'm Not sure but that may be the 90 deg. timing order, That is I have read that another Firing Order was 165432 or something, but it wasn't working and this is. Heading outside.
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Post by: GTRS Fiero on January 20, 2018, 06:35:25 pm
I don't see a picture, but this is a 60-degree engine, I thought.  The 3.8 is a 90-degree engine.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 21, 2018, 03:34:39 am
correct this is a 60 deg. 3.4 they may have had it mis timed/wired like a 90 deg. the pic we are referring to is one that you put up for me, in those you can't really follow the wiring but it looks kinda odd . to some extent you can follow the wiring, the blown gasket and severe peppering on the plugs tells me lots of detonation and that could have been the cause of the blow out.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 29, 2018, 07:34:47 pm
W A I T I N G for a slave from Rockauto, first They said it would be here Today, now It's Friday.
 Been talking to a man with some turbos for sale and he has some Smaller turbos that Two will really rock .
 Any way every time I start it I see little things That I hope are from Sitting, so sometimes Imma Happy and then Not so Much , But really Getting Better each time,Now I just want it on the Ground so I can see what's Next.
 Brake rotors are in awful shape and like I said before I have a Box full Of C4 brake rotors and Calipers so silly to fix them If I can Upgrade.
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Post by: TopNotch on January 29, 2018, 11:27:48 pm
If it's for a Fiero, get your slave from Rodney Dickman. You'll be glad you did.
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Post by: GTXVette on January 30, 2018, 06:23:00 am
  I have paid for the Cheap-o and It's in the Mail but I did this for quick delivery.....Not.
How much is the R D Part . 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 30, 2018, 04:21:40 pm
New slave is in and Operational, Because the other was frozen I didn't see how extended the shaft was. I will mount it on the other side of the Bracket to put it farther into the Cylinder. But it operates just fine. Pressure washing to clean and hopefully remove some of the Grey Paint is on the agenda and then prep for paint Aka. Sanding . WHO's IN. Lol
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on January 30, 2018, 07:00:14 pm
If you have the correct slave, you cant put it on the other side of the bracket.  Attempts to do will cause the piston to hit the end of the bore.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 31, 2018, 08:10:55 am
May be my bracket is not original. It is about 1/8" thick and with a washer and lock washer I will move it less than 1/2". Just Going to take out Studs and Install them from the other side Pointing rearward, OEM is not Important Because "Race Car"
Did You Know..Racecar Spelled Backwards Is Racecar.
Will Drive it on the street Beside my House TODAY. If The Brakes work,  Man they look Bad.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on January 31, 2018, 08:59:16 am
The piston in the slave cylinder only travels about 1 1/4 inch when the clutch pedal is depressed.  The hydraulic system is self-centering.  You can't change the length of stroke by relocating the slave except when you move it so far that it bottoms out on either end. 

If you move the slave a 1/2 inch closer to the release arm, the piston just moves back into the slave bore by 1/2 inch and you still get the same amount of travel when the pedal is depressed.  Same if you move the slave 1/2 inch away from the release arm, the piston self centers 1/2 inch toward the end of the slave bore, and you still get the 1 1/4 inch of travel.  This is accomplished by the spring inside the slave that keeps tension against the pushrod so that it doesn't fall out of the clutch release arm. 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 31, 2018, 09:25:43 am
  Yea I know, just moving the Piston farther into the slave, More toward the Middle. It felt to me It was at the END of Spring tension, That is why I am Moving it.  All Good.  So Any body wanna come Play?
 Swap meet is Saturday,
 Got a Deal On Twin Turbos working, A Bit Smaller than the one on it now This barely makes 8-10 lbs of Boost and I need a little more than 13-14 to reach my power goals, and Found a 2012 Impala Engine on C L for 300 Bucks W/ Low Mileage Down in Woodstock, Might go look at that Today also, But If that's a VVT Engine I will Pass, Got to look it up on Wiki. BUT then, I still want to Boost a Northstar, and these Two 48"s will Make about 450 HP and a BUNCH of Torque Down Low in the RPM range, Yea Haw.
 
  PS. I Know YOU Bought Pauls SC 3800, How's that Going, and are you Thinking of bringing it to the Challenge ?
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Fierofool on January 31, 2018, 09:47:09 am
Where's the swap meet?  If it's in Commerce, I might be up that way and may be able to drop in. 

Who bought Paul Who's 3800SC? 
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: Raydar on January 31, 2018, 11:32:22 am
...Found a 2012 Impala Engine on C L for 300 Bucks W/ Low Mileage Down in Woodstock, Might go look at that Today also, But If that's a VVT Engine I will Pass, Got to look it up on Wiki.

If it's a 3900, it's VVT. ALL of the 3900s are VVT. (The RPO is probably LGD. It's the Flex Fuel version of the LZ9.)
If it's a 3500 of that year it will also be VVT. (LZ4 or Flex Fuel LZE.)
It might also be D-O-D (RPO is LZ8) but I think that was an earlier year model.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on January 31, 2018, 01:13:55 pm
 Thank you Raydar, I just Came in from Wally world and now I can go work on the car!.

One of the Crew on the Coast /Augusta area? No One Has Spoken up, Paul Didn't say But the Pic. of the Fiero Being Hoisted Up to a Loading Dock was it,  I believe.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: f85gtron on January 31, 2018, 07:52:39 pm
One of the Crew on the Coast /Augusta area? No One Has Spoken up, Paul Didn't say But the Pic. of the Fiero Being Hoisted Up to a Loading Dock was it,  I believe.
...It may have been me, maybe...
Ron
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on February 01, 2018, 07:00:17 am
 Good for You Ron,
Now you Have Two that will Out run Me.  Maybe.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: f85gtron on February 01, 2018, 01:28:54 pm
Only one Right now.  That 3800sc needs a lot of work.  It's not going wheels-up anytime soon.
I don't think the other one i got (85 3.4) could touch you either. I'm not even gonna bring the 84 duke into the discussion, nor the 87 3.4 sitting here too. I'm like the old cat lady, but with fieros instead. I keep putting out the milk.
When asked, I say I'm starting a collection, my wife says I'm starting a junk yard!
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on February 01, 2018, 05:18:20 pm
 Yea Baby,  I resemble that Remark !
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Post by: GTXVette on February 02, 2018, 04:34:01 pm
 NO Swap Meet For Me Tommorow,  Sorry , But On a Good Note I can try to get this Slave Bled. Yo Charlie, Not Going.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on February 15, 2018, 02:08:07 pm
  Drove it out side today, the weather man Kinda Lied, Misty, everything is wet, by the time I got to the front of the House I Ran Out of Gas, the Slave isn't bled right having to shut it off to shift 1st to R, Grass Soaked, dirt is Soft No Traction in yard, Crap I threw a Tarp over Her and said 'Later'
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on April 07, 2018, 06:15:29 pm
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/build-projects-and-project-cars/boy-thats-orange/138479/page1/
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 07, 2018, 06:22:29 pm
Yeah, orange, but I'm confused about the other car in the pic.  Or is it my eyes?
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Post by: Fierofool on April 07, 2018, 10:33:59 pm
Interesting thing with intake. 
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Post by: GTXVette on April 08, 2018, 07:53:01 am
GTRS that's a Vette I am messing up.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on April 28, 2018, 10:26:11 am
So, update on your Fiero?
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 01, 2018, 07:50:34 am
 
     Yes I Will, 
              O K, Well The Mitty Didn't Happen, For Me.
 Dirk  told me Tuesday He had to Work Sunday and then A Day Later when I was Going to ask to Just Borrow his Truck His Girlfriend Wrecked it !  By then The Wind Died down and it was over.

  The RPM is still Racing along at high 2000's so Sunday I took the Upper and Lower Inkake off and now I Know It Is From a 1988 style Corsica 3.1 and
that Could be the Short block Too ! I am Going to Hunt the Numbers today as I put it back Togeather with New Stuff (Gaskets) now that I Know What It Is.
 
   The Paint is Finished , A Bit of Detail and some BRIGHT Color For the 18" wide Center Stripe(1.25 side stripes) Like a Green(spring, Neon , Electric,) some thing to POP against the Orange with  Black Roof, I have started Painting the side trim a Chrome silver and the Center (Rubber, not!) will be the Green I go with or a ruby red like the Pontiac Logo on the door post.Maybe just black on the rubber side but that is jus' Too much Black with this Orange. And Maybe White for a Stripe but that's Boring.  So who Has the Hip Decorators Eye.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on May 01, 2018, 06:08:32 pm
 I keep looking at this Paint and as Bright as the Top Coat Looked in the Can It Has a Darkness to it, Not a Burnt Orange really but A Shade orTwo Darker than I thought.So For the center Stripe I am Going to attempt a Dark burnt butterscotch/greenish tint because I have some  of the color now and may just need some dark yellow/brown to mix what I'm seeing .
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on September 02, 2018, 08:17:11 am
http://images.fieroforum.com/2017/IMG_20180407_133939.jpghttp: well that didn't work. it's supposed to be photos from Pennocks or Grassroots , go ahead and post them if someone wants, busy day Today
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 02, 2018, 08:49:56 am


Just one image.  To make an image show, highlight the link, then click the little Mona Lisa icon above on the left side.
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Post by: GTXVette on September 03, 2018, 07:33:21 pm
http://images.fieroforum.com/2017  well I clicked on Mona Lisa too but  not in the right order or something.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTRS Fiero on September 03, 2018, 08:05:54 pm
That link is forbidden.
Title: Re: 2017 FIERO /Grassroots Challenger
Post by: GTXVette on September 04, 2018, 06:39:43 am
I thought it to be the same I used on Pennocks.  I also no longer care.  GTRS,FIEROFOOL, Thanks for all your help.