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Gear reduction starter?
« on: January 07, 2021, 05:31:01 pm »
I want to replace the started with a gear-reduction starter.  I tried one that was recommended elsewhere, but it does not fit.  I'm fairly sure it should bolt up.  No dice.

Which is the correct starter to use?

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2021, 06:20:48 pm »
If you ask for a 1998 to 2000 Grand Am starter, you will get one that works, if you have a stock or stock-like (3.4) engine.

The more complex the mind, the greater the need for the simplicity of play.

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2021, 06:25:35 pm »
And the bracket on the back (left)?  Does that transfer?

One of the bolts floats.

I saw this.

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2021, 06:31:34 pm »
The bracket on the back of the big starter isn't needed on the little one, because it isn't heavy enough to require it. And the one in your link looks like it will work.
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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2021, 06:38:16 pm »
Same question for the 4 cylinder
1988 Fiero Base 4cyl 5spd.
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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2021, 06:54:26 pm »
Dunno about the 4-cyl.

This is closer to the one in the pic, above.
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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2021, 07:12:50 pm »
This is the starter that I put on my Duke.
It's listed for a 3800, but will also work on a V6 (2.8, 3.4, 3.4 DOHC, 3800, etc.)
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005AN5WAU/

I was actually kind of impressed. It came with graphs/charts from where they tested it. Displayed torque, current drain, and bla, bla, bla...
« Last Edit: January 07, 2021, 07:44:14 pm by Raydar »
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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2021, 07:20:20 pm »
The bracket on the back of the big starter isn't needed on the little one, because it isn't heavy enough to require it. And the one in your link looks like it will work.

Ok.  I got the JP Auto one, but we'll see.

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2021, 07:29:59 pm »
I have never seen that starter bracket on any Fiero. 
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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2021, 07:37:42 pm »
Well, give me a few days, and we'll see.

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2021, 08:36:29 pm »
I used one for the 3800 as well. Works great.

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2021, 08:56:38 pm »
I have one on the ??? (forgot which one) that Scott gave me.  I think it's the 86.  Don't know what it came from.  Sounds a little different but it works well. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2021, 07:21:37 am »
I have one on the ??? (forgot which one) that Scott gave me.  I think it's the 86.  Don't know what it came from.  Sounds a little different but it works well.

That came off of a 2000 Malibu with a 3100, and yes we put that in the yellow 86

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2021, 09:24:04 am »
Other people have reported the different sound.  We'll see.  Maybe I won't like it.

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Re: Gear reduction starter?
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2021, 09:34:50 am »
The different sound might be due to clearance of the Bendix Gear and flywheel.  Most probably do as I did and just use the starter shim that was with the old starter.  Ideally, the clearance should be set to factory specs, but without being underneath the car to inspect, I'm not sure it can be done with the transmission bolted to the engine.  So, I guess the only way would to have a number of different thickness shims and swap them out until the sound is most suitable. 

Other than weight, what's the reported advantages of the starter? 
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